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Monday, August 2
READER: Big Ideas... Who Needs Them?
By
James Weaver
posted @ 08/02/2004
11:29 pm
While my background is in the visual arts, I am an accomplished
guitarist. As Wynne Delacoma accurately points out, none of us are
ever going to become capable of predicting the "next big"
anything. Worse yet, while John Cage's incorporating Zen Buddhist
practices to composition and performance may still have a strong
potential, his 1962 "Silent piece 0' 0" personifies
Delacoma's statement:"...schools of thought that stifle
creativity rather than stimulate it." Whenever mediocre thought
and subsequent performance are elevated to the level of being news
worthy based on timing rather than content, a glaring problem
exists. read more
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The Idea of No Idea
By
Alex Ross
posted @ 08/02/2004
11:28 pm
Thanks to Douglas McLennan for the clarifying challenge. The
problem I’m having here is that I'm interested in personalities
first, ideas second. The living composers who excite me most are
those who go against the grain of whatever language or languages
they’ve chosen to adopt, asserting an unmistakable musical self.
As we’ve all said, twentieth-century music was tyrannized and
traumatized by artistic dogmas. The apparent reluctance of some of
us here to delineate “big ideas” in billboard-sized lettering
does not by any means signify a lack of enthusiasm for contemporary
music. Speaking for myself, I do my utmost to honor the
individuality of the composer in question, without resort to
"isms." When I said before that pop music seemed to be the
scene of “big, scene-setting ideas,” I was not necessarily
paying that vast, ill-defined genre a compliment. As I observed in
an article back in February, jazz, rock, and even hip-hop seem to
have cycled with ever-greater speed through stages of classicism,
romanticism, modernism, avant-gardism, and neoclassicism. Let them
ride the old mystery train as long as they wish. Composers, it seems
to me, have reached the station at the end of the line. They are now
setting off on foot, to borrow a beautiful image from Alfred
Schnittke. Or, to quote William Billings, “every man his own
Carver.”
This is, in fact, a great, brilliant era in music. Every year in
the past decade has come at least one work that’s completely
rocked my world — Magnus Lindberg’s “Aura,” with its
chaos-theory recollection of Sibelius; John Moran’s “Everyday
Newt Burman,” gripping surreal theater generated by tape loops and
sound collage; Thomas Adčs’ “Asyla,” with its meticulous and
galvanic and somehow inwardly skeptical evocation of a sweaty techno
club; Osvaldo Golijov’s St. Mark Passion, blending the solitude of
composition with the collective ritual of the Latin-American street;
Helmut Oehring’s “Self-Liberator,” a shrieking dark Germanic
take on funk and hip-hop production; Lou Harrison’s “Rhymes with
Silver,” a work too pure of heart to be summed up in a phrase;
John Adams’ “Naďve and Sentimental Music,” the great American
symphony of our time; Steve Reich’s “Three Tales,” a
reinvention of opera as a total theater of technology that
simultaneously returns music to its origins in speech; and, most
recently, Lera Auerbach’s 24 Preludes for Violin and Piano, in
which a young composer glides over the 20th century without
suffering the anguish of nostalgia. There are many ideas in rapid
circulation here: ideas about technology and electronics and
sampling and pop and folk and alternative tunings and non-Western
traditions and the 20th-century past. But in each case the
composer’s ability to master the material is the biggest idea of
all.
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Way Beyond Crossover
By
Kyle MacMillan
posted @ 08/02/2004
8:56 pm
I’ve been on the road and have come back to the office to
discover a tidal wave of entries in the blog. And I must confess
that it’s all a bit overwhelming. I’m not quite sure where to
start. But I thought I would just share some initial notions that
perhaps relate at least indirectly to what has already been written.
It seems to me that the single biggest development of the last
couple of decades is the ability for anyone to get a CD (or simply
download it) of virtually any kind of music that has been composed
or performed anywhere in the world in the last 1,000 years or more.
Compare this virtually limitless musical availability to the
enormously more finite musical influences on even such recent
composers as Igor Stravinsky or Aaron Copland. It seems nearly
impossible to overstate the potential ramifications. Beyond merely
borrowing from jazz or blues as George Gershwin did, a composer in
2004 with very little effort can reach back to the Renaissance for a
chant, grab a native rhythm from New Guinea and mix them with a 19th
century romantic harmonic structure or whatever. The ramifications
are enormous, and composers have only begun to exploit them.
Such blurring of historical, geographic and stylistic boundaries
goes way beyond what has typically been known as “crossover” or
“cross-pollination.” It is musical composition with virtually no
limitations. That to me is a “big idea.” Now, of course, this
notion both unites and disunites simultaneously. On one hand, this
notion of borderless music composition is becoming widespread.
Indeed, it is unstoppable at this point. Even if a composer does not
engage in it consciously, a composer cannot help but be affected by
the ever-widening variety of music he or she encounters inevitably
on a daily basis. Such blurring can be heard everywhere from John
Corigliano to popular music to the film scores of Howard Shore to
the burgeoning milieu of world music. But by its very nature, such
an approach is disuniting. Instead of creating one sound or style,
it constantly seeks new syntheses of sounds. Unity and
disunity all at once.
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Improvisation -- for Tom
By
Greg Sandow
posted @ 08/02/2004
8:38 pm
Tom,
I didn't mean that classical music should have incorporated
improvisation, in the way that jazz does. (Although it's done that
since the '50s, but that's another story.) Maybe I should have used
another word. I was thinking of Jackson Pollock and Jack Kerouac,
who sort of spewed out their work. Nothing like that happened in
mainstream classical music, or at least not involving anyone as
famous as Pollock or Kerouac. The musical equivalent would have been
a composer who, in a white heat of creation, spewed out music -- but
writing it down, not improvising it in concert.
(Of course, somebody's sure to point out some composer who did
just this. Might be the exception that proves the rule -- a minor or
minorish figure, or at any rate someone the music world regarded as
marginal, and who didn't get the vast attention Pollock and Kerouac
did. Or maybe I'm wrong about this…)
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READER: To Greg, Justin: Hermetic Music
By
Tom Hamilton
posted @ 08/02/2004
7:32 pm
Greg: I've read your 3rd point, where you ask why improvisation,
as manifest in the 1950s and likened to the procedures of Pollock
and Kerouac, seemed to be rejected by the musical mainstream, in
favor of a kind of musical formalism. The idea that improvisation
can be handily introduced into classical concert music has been
largely built on a misunderstanding of the nature of both of those
great processes. read more
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No Apocalpse Now
By
Douglas McLennan
posted @ 08/02/2004
6:06 pm
I’m struck by how
difficult it has been to get our hands around the concept of a
“Big Idea.” Indeed, Kyle immediately re-posed the question as
“why are there no big
ideas in music” and voiced objection. Others, unable to define a
large enough idea, seem willing to cede the debate to popular music,
where presumably fresher(!?) explorations might be underway. Then
there is a wide vein of hostility towards the “Big Idea”
construction altogether, a feeling, perhaps, that christening
something as such sets up a tyranny of orthodoxy that should be
resisted.
And yet – I’d
like to suggest that if this question were posed to those in the
technology sector, it wouldn’t occur to them to think of the Big
Idea as a tyranny. Instead they’d be scrambling to try to divine
what the Next Big Thing is so they could get in on it. If the
question were posed to the medical community, they’d be all over
it trying to articulate what they think is the next paradigm that
would inform their thinking. I think you’d get similar reactions
to this challenge in education or manufacturing or even government.
No one would
seriously suggest in any of these fields that there might not be any
more Big Ideas to grab the imagination. And I suspect that few would
find that the “tyranny” of a Big Idea is a negative that
outweighs the good that comes from focusing collective energy on
exploring it. Indeed, in many of these endeavors, progress is made
only because of the critical mass of attention accumulated around
it.
Aha – progress.
Isn’t that a problematic concept in our discussion? The notion of
“progress” in music is a discredited one. Yet, progress
doesn’t have to mean “better”. It just means that the
conversation of ideas has moved on. If it hadn’t, then we’d
still have composers busily spinning out Haydn symphonies (I
understand someone is, by the way – and good ones, I’m told).
But the fact you can write a Haydn symphony long after the fact
seems more like a craft than a piece of art, doesn’t it?
The premise behind
the original question wasn’t that there weren’t any Big Ideas
now. The premise came out of a sense that everywhere the culture is
fragmenting, everywhere creative people are struggling to come to
terms with traditional cultural structures that are breaking down.
That culture is moving from the Model-T mass production model to a
bespoke culture-on-demand.
Mass culture is
seeing its audience melt away. Popular music (as defined since
mid-20th Century) almost doesn’t exist anymore. TV and
radio and newspapers are struggling for attention, and soon, pop
culture references that have been in the era of mass media a
shorthand for common shared experience will be indecipherable to
most. The failure to find an idea that energizes the field is not
unique to classical music. It cuts across all the arts.
This isn’t an
apocalyptic vision. I am gratified that I can easily get access to
recordings of a Machaut mass, a Roy Harris piano quartet, or that I
can sample liberally off Kyle’s listening list whenever I want.
That I can hear 27 different versions of a Brandenburg Concerto –
from the purity of a Harnoncourt or Koopman to the battleship of a
von Karajan. In the so-called “Golden Age” it was difficult, if
not impossible to get such variety. I like that the idea of a
monolithic mass culture is dying. Music isn’t going to die.
Orchestras aren’t going to die. The institutions by which we
experience them now may die or evolve, but the art itself isn’t
going away.
And yet – I
wonder if one of our big problems here is that there is so
little public discourse around the ideas of music. How can
there be big ideas if the ideas there are aren’t fought over? I
love Kyle’s list, and he has made a career of advocating for a
particular view. But who’s out there arguing with him (or
seconding him, for that matter)? It can’t be a conversation of
one. I’m not talking about having to come up with consensus (I
discussed this in an
article for Newsweek last year), but surely the failure
of voices to engage in debate sends a signal that there isn’t
enough worth debating? (a view, by the way, with which I strongly
disagree).
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READER: A Problem of Marketing
By
Corey Dargel
posted @ 08/02/2004
5:59 pm
Compared to the NYC new-music scene,
the NYC independent (pop) music scene consistently draws a wider
demographic and larger pool of listeners to hear its emerging
artists. The venues and the artists themselves take a more proactive
role in marketing emerging composers, songwriters, and musicians, so
the interesting things that are happening in the pop music world are
heard about and talked about a lot (and by a lot of different
people)... read more
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READER: Of Sheep Heads and Music
By
P. Bailey
posted @ 08/02/2004
5:56 pm
When I put on concerts, one of the
main obstructions to bringing in an audience is marketing. The
amount of money spent to promote the LA Phil and related
organizations gives many people a sense that it is the
"thing" to do. The practicality of putting on a concert in
an alternative venue (church, art gallery, museum) can limit the
exposure and coverage of the event... read more
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READER: Re Kyle's Listening Examples...
By
Steve Layton
posted @ 08/02/2004
9:53 am
Yes, that's helpful, and a nice list
(though not terribly "new" to anyone paying fair attention
over the last couple decades). For a really broad slice of the
current spectrum, including much fine work by people that don't even
begin to approach the fringes of the "official radar", I'd
like to recommend two sites... read more
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READER: Marketing anyone?
By
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
posted @ 08/02/2004
9:35 am
Is it too much to expect that nearly the entire
significance-sickness in nonpop has to do with the dearth of
effective investment and imaginative marketing -- as well as, to
some extent, the noose of intellectual property laws that strangles
compositions that might use popular work as source material?... read more
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READER: A Post-Literate Musical Future
By
John Halle
posted @ 08/02/2004
9:31 am
Some might be interested an article of mine on the New Music Box
site at http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=64vw01 .
I won't summarize the points here except to note that it is
directly responsive to many of the postings here though from a
perspective that I don't think has been represented. read more
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Thanks, Kyle
By
Justin Davidson
posted @ 08/02/2004
7:54 am
That's a real public service. Glad
we're getting more specific.
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Listening Examples Provided
By
Kyle Gann
posted @ 08/02/2004
7:45 am
Well, I had a little proposal of my
own that I worked up last night. I hate having this abstract,
general discussion about “today’s composers” when no one seems
to know the composers I’m talking about. So I’ve put up a
temporary New-Music
Listening Page with examples of music by 14 composers. You may
like some of it, you may not, but if you get the urge to claim that
“today’s composers” are out of touch with popular music,
don’t write music with any relevance to social issues, don’t use
sampling, don’t capture the spirit of our time, etc., you might
want to listen to these before saying so. I’d also consider it
real decent of you if you would refrain from dissing the music
before listening to it through a plausible sound system.
These few examples aren’t sufficient, of course, to prove the
existence of any Big Ideas out there. But I have several thousand
other CDs of music by composers born after 1940 that would make the
point.
To John: Sorry, I get your point about the ages. The
postminimalists I listed were mostly over 50, but the totalists I
subsequently talked about were born between 1949 and 1961, most of
them just about my age or slightly younger. Even postminimalism,
though, didn’t take off as a movement until 1980 or just after.
Whatever “’70s composers” are (and I’ve used the term), I
can’t think of these as them.
As for how they relate to other music: The postminimalists tend
to be rather omniverous. Janice Giteck borrows from many world
traditions, notably Jewish and Indonesian. Bill Duckworth’s music
borrows from bluegrass, early rock ‘n’ roll keyboard, Erik Satie,
Messiaen, Gregorian chant. Daniel Lentz, underneath his synthesizers
and feel-good California melodies, is remarkably indebted to
Renaissance counterpoint. I think of postminimalism as having about
the same weight and density as Middle Baroque music, like Corelli,
but with non-functional harmony. The essence of the style is that
the structural basis is rhythm, not harmony, following Cage's ideas
about time and the influence of his music of the 1940s. Harmony has
been reduced to a coloristic role.
The totalists tend to be more pop-music-oriented, frequently
citing Led Zeppelin as an influence. In fact, the critical principle
often cited in this conversation that “pop music is where the
energy is” is so often invoked by composers of my own generation
that it’s hardly cricket to use it against them. This is a more
cantankerous and eclectic movement, harder to generalize about, but
its signature is a gear-shifting feel of switching back and forth
among different tempos.
But perhaps the listening examples, which include postminimalists,
totalists, and none-of-the-abovists, will make the point better than
more words could.
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proposal
By
Justin Davidson
posted @ 08/02/2004
4:35 am
A few years ago, in a stab at making some sense for readers of
the swarm of composers and styles in contemporary music, I wrote a
series on various recent trends: American composers born in
Asia; composers whose borrowed heavily from rock and pop;
improviser-composers, etc. The series was far from comprehensive.
What if, collectively, we tried to come up with topics for
an imaginary 10-part series? Or, alternatively, a syllabus for an
imaginary course: "[Classical?] Music since 1990." We could group
composers into a series of themes (also known as Big Ideas) obviously
there would be overlap, and some of the divisions would be fairly
arbitrary, but if we think of it as organizing material for readers
or students - a real-life activity that many of us actually have to
do - it might be useful. I'd suggest a couple of ground rules: Since
we're interested in recent developments, composers should be under
50 or else have participated in a trend that has materialized within
the last 15 years.
Perhaps when we have enough responses, Doug could assemble them
into a master list, reconciling redundancies. I'd suggest the
following format:
Header [Post-neo-anti-non-modernism]
Brief description: [A radical rejection of all previous
rejections of historicism, characterized by pounding silences and
the frequent combination of tubas and lutes.]
List of 5-6 composers, with birth date, nationality and one or
two significant pieces: [Englebert Tubthumper, b. 1967, South
Africa. "The End of Everything," electronic environment]
If this feels to formal and professorial, feel free to ignore it,
but I have a feeling it might clarify some ideas.
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THE QUESTION BEFORE US
If the history of music is the recorded conversation of ideas, then where do we find ourselves in that conversation at the start of the 21st Century? In the past, musical ideas have been fought over, affirmed then challenged again, with each generation adding something new. Ultimately consensus was achieved around an idea, and that idea gained traction with a critical mass of composers.
Now we are in a period when no particular musical idea seems to represent our age, and it appears that for the moment – at least on the surface – that there is no obvious direction music is going. So the question is: what is the next chapter in the historical conversation of musical ideas, and where are the seeds of those ideas planted?
Or: Is it possible that, with traditional cultural structures fragmenting, and the ways people are getting and using culture fundamentally changing, that it is no longer possible for a unifying style to emerge? Is it still possible for a Big Idea to attain the kind of traction needed to energize and acquire a critical mass of composers and performers?
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READER: The purpose of music - Linda Rogers (08/06/2004 10:46 am)
READER: Thank you to all - Jennifer Higdon (08/06/2004 10:10 am)
READER: To Corey Dargel and Kyle Gann - Garth Trinkl (08/06/2004 9:21 am)
READER: re:Where Are The Young Voices? - Andrea La Rose (08/06/2004 9:21 am)
READER: To Justin: Art can be entertaining, but it is not entertainment - Arthur J. Sabatini (08/06/2004 8:42 am)
Final Disinformation
- Kyle Gann (08/06/2004 8:41 am)
READER: Where Are The Young Voices? - Corey Dargel (08/06/2004 8:21 am)
Over and out - an anti-rant rant - Justin Davidson (08/06/2004 7:05 am)
READER: Classical Music Doesn't Fit The PR Mold - Dennis Bathory-Kitsz (08/05/2004 9:21 pm)
READER: Eclecticism Is Better Anyway - Hale Jacob (08/05/2004 7:41 pm)
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| THE MUSIC CRITICS |
Greg Sandow
The Wall Street Journal
- To Justin: Hermetic Music - Performance ideas - Truly big classical ideas - Another view
Wynne Delacoma
Chicago Sun-Times
- Composer bashing, female critics, form and content - Big Ideas--Who Needs Them?
Alex Ross
The New Yorker
- Clarification, Departure - The New New Thing - Provocation! - To AC Douglas - Pop Innovation - A Potential Goldmine - To Rockwell: Styles, Not Politics - Listening for Passionate Engagement
Kyle Gann
Village Voice
- Listening examples provided - Queries for John Rockwell - Unfair on my part - Composer bashing - Inside a big idea - Names & Their Inadequacies - The Idea & Its Conditions - The Next Medium-Sized Idea - Alternate Universe
Justin Davidson
Newsday
- Thanks, Kyle - proposal - To Kyle - Who's saying give up? - Some Things Are New, Actually - High/Low Redux - pop envy - Where was THAT in Classical Music? - Apology & Comment - How Big is a Big Idea?
John Rockwell
The New York Times
- Reply to Kyle and a Plea - Arghhh, or however you spell it - The Magpie - Brahms and Wagner - Question for Kyle - To Alex, Justin: the pedant at work - Initial Entry
Scott Cantrell
Dallas Morning News
- What's success? - Pop music precendent - Multiculturalism - Fragmentation - Female Critics - Movements & Media - A Blurry Patchwork
Charles Ward
Houston Chronicle
- Jotting IV: Grab Bag - Jotting III: When John Rockwell... - Jotting II: I'd Rather Not Get A Call From Stalin - Jotting I: We Do Have A Big Idea
Anne Midgette
The New York Times
- What's the big idea? - A Few Responses To Other Postings - Back to Fragmentation for a Minute - Gender footnote - Another preamble
Andrew Druckenbrod
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
- Composers are Composers but Distinctions are Worthwhile - No apology to pop and film - Taking Issue With The Question
John von Rhein
Chicago Tribune
Kyle MacMillan
Denver Post
Joshua Kosman
San Francisco Chronicle
| | FROM READERS |
The Purpose of Music - Linda Rogers (08/06/2004 10:46 am)
Thank you to all - Jennifer Higdon (08/06/2004 10:10 am)
To Corey Dargel and Kyle Gann - Garth Trinkl (08/06/2004 10:00 am)
re: Where Are The Young Voices? - Andrea La Rose (08/06/2004 9:21 am)
To Justin: Art can be entertaining, but it is notentertainment - Arthur J. Sabatini (08/06/2004 8:42 am)
Where Are The Young Voices? - Corey Dargel (08/06/2004 8:20 am)
Summing Up - Brian Newhouse (08/05/2004 9:26 pm)
Classical Music Doesn't Fit The PR Mold - Dennis Bathory-Kitsz (08/05/2004 9:18 pm)
Eclecticism Is Better Anyway - Hale Jacob (08/05/2004 7:40 pm)
What Is Live Performance, Anyway? - Steve Layton (08/05/2004 7:34 pm)
All Reader Posts
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| OTHER RESOURCES |
- Discography of Minimalist and Totalist music - Kyle Gann on Post-Minimalism - Kyle Gann: Following the Classical Script
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