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Friday, August 6
    The Purpose of Music
    By Linda Rogers
    posted @ August 6, 2004 10:46 am

    During two years as General Manager of Soundstreams Canada, a new music concert presenter in Toronto, Canada--the conversation we hosted that most animated the music community here was a lecture given by Sir John Tavener. He was in town at our invitation for a concert we were presenting of his music. It might be added that unlike the small attendance at most new music concerts, this was an SRO concert. We crowded about 1200 into an 1100 seat cathedral and had to send hundreds home in disappointment. Clearly this is a voice that is reaching people musically.

    Prior to John's arrival, he and I had discussed by phone, the fact that both the music community and the theological community wanted to sponsor a lecture and there was insufficient time in the schedule for two such events. At his suggestion, and with the cooperation of the two sponsoring faculties, we had combined the two into a lecture entitled, "The vocation of the sacred artist".

    In the lecture Tavener presented the view that music had a purpose and that purpose was to reach the soul of individuals in an uplifting, encouraging and enobling way. The purpose of music was fulfilled when the audience left the concert hall feeling troubles lifted and with a desire for a better world, filled with beauty. He continued in voicing the opinion that music had lost its way when composers began to use music as a way to express their personal tragedy and turmoil, unloading that depression and tortured visions on the audience. In so doing, he continued, the composer was contributing to a negative world-view and the entropy of a corrupted civilization.

    Although I found myself uncomfortable with a certain black-and-white nature to his arguments, I found myself fundamentally agreeing. The idea that "if the world is to be saved, it will be saved by beauty"-- a Tavener quote that so struck me that I made it the featured quotes in our marketing campaign--was certainly the central theme to my own love of music and what I want to achieve in music and also what is at the root of my own assessment of "good music" and "bad music". I don't necessarily want music to make me "feel good" but I want to leave the concert hall with the sense that my soul has been touched and nourished.

     


    Thank you to all
    By Jennifer Higdon
    posted @ August 6, 2004 10:10 am

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    Critical Conversation has truly been a fascinating read. Thank you all for your thoughts and observations...you have really made me think. And though I refer to give my answer in the music that I write, I was reminded of a recent concert at the Caramoor Festival, in which both John Rockwell and myself were participants. At this concert, he expressed his concerns about the lack of a Big Idea. I had responded that I find this actually exciting, because I can get up everyday and try something new or different in the music that I write.

    I realized about a day after that concert, that I actually do have a Big Idea in my composing, and I just didn't think to say anything in our public forum...this might be because I was thinking of styles when he made this comment.

    But my Big Idea is more of a philosophy: I want the music to be interesting and to communicate...which doesn't rule out any "isms" but generally acts like a guide in my composing. It sounds simplistic and it's definitely not unique, but it is for me of paramount importance. So thank you all for your wisdom, experience, and wit. It is much appreciated by many folks.


    To Corey Dargel and Kyle Gann
    By Garth Trinkl
    posted @ August 6, 2004 10:00 am
    Corey, I realize that young composers, such as yourself, may feel that this
    conversation has only touched upon a few of your immediate interests, and concerns, as working composers today.  I wish that you had encouraged some of your under - 30 colleagues to participate here, along with you.  There is still time. 

    On the other hand, a few younger, still emerging composers were mentioned  above — Lera Auerbach by Alex Ross (she has also been championed by John
    von Rhein, in the Chicago Tribune, less than a year ago); and Matthias Pintscher (1971),  Michael Hersch  (1971),  Liza Lim (1966), and Torsten Rasch (1965),  by myself.  None of these highly expressive composers uses the idioms of pop music, although Torsten Rasch, from Dresden, sets controversial lyrics from German rock music. All are expert orchestrators.  (I realize now that I had heard of Ms Auerbach previously — but had not heard her work.  I very much look forward to hearing it.)
     
    Music critic Justin Davidson also mentioned  (8/3), that he was assembling a "listening list of [his] own". That list, when contributed, may include further names of composers under the age of 40. 
     
    As to Kyle Gann's post "Final Disinformation", I would like to ask for his source
    of  (dis)information that "when composers get together to discuss the problems
    of music today ... [t]heir major proposed solutions are most often ... [t]aking
    the idioms of pop music as a basis for composition ..."    While this may be true
    for the hundreds of composers he champions, I do not believe that this statement holds true for the remaining thousands of composers in American or worldwide.
     
    I am very much looking forward to hearing Joan La Barbera's opera on the life
    of Virginia Wolfe.  Pretty amazing that there has never been an opera about Ms Wolfe, isn't it? Are any critics, or readers, aware of one?

    re: Where Are The Young Voices?
    By Andrea La Rose
    posted @ August 6, 2004 9:21 am

    I hope at almost 32 that I still possibly qualify as a young(ish) voice. Here's a letter I wrote to Alex Ross not too long ago in response to a New Yorker article, that I think addresses Mr. Dargel's question:

    Dear Mr. Ross,

    As an emerging student composer, I'd like to commend you for paying attention to the future of classical music: student composers. We are largely ignored by the media, while we watch our rock'n'roll peers get all the attention. I urge you, however, to follow up this article with two more installments: public university music departments and young composers working outside of school. Everyone knows about the music departments at Juilliard, Yale, Columbia, Mannes, NYU, and so on. A portrait of music students in the New York City area is hardly complete with private schools alone. CUNY and SUNY schools in the area have several fine music departments with student composers just as exciting and edgy as their private school counterparts. Furthermore, there are several groups in the area comprised of young performer-composers working outside of the academic arena: Anti-Social Music, Wet Ink, Common Sense Composers Collective, Vox Novus, to name but a few, and new ones are popping up all the time. All of these groups and students would love to see you at one of our shows and hear your opinions, whether or not they turn into a New Yorker article.

    In short, we young composers are out there and we are getting our music heard; the critics aren't showing up to hear us. I suspect their bosses aren't interested in letting them explore the "underground" classical world, because they think their readers aren't interested.

    As a member of the aforementioned Anti-Social Music, here's what I see are the big ideas in classical music: --a d-i-y attitude: put together your own shows with your own music. --think like a rock band, not an orchestra. --don't be ashamed of what you listen to, everything is potential creative fodder; if Josquin can use drinking tunes in his music, so can I. --don't wait for your audience to find you, go out and find your audience; lots of people are interested in more "difficult" or "challenging" music that you can't dance to.

    Classical music is not dead or dying any more than punk or disco or bluegrass. It's just not your grandmother's classical music, anymore.


    To Justin: Art can be entertaining, but it is notentertainment
    By Arthur J. Sabatini
    posted @ August 6, 2004 8:42 am

    "But one thing classical composers could learn from pop is a sense of fun...Mozart thought of himself as an entertainer as well as an artist.." Justin Davidson

    No. Unlike in Mozart's era, in 20th century America - and now in the rest of the world - entertainment is a business and an industry, and except for a few powerful artists (often for a short amount of time), it the business of entertainment that determines its rules, reception and quality, at the center of which is the most researched, defined and marketed product: fun. That is why the "fun" most entertainers produce fades when a new concept of "fun" arises, one version of which is "pop" entertainment.

    Although he has his moments, T.S. Eliot is not fun in entertainment terms; Andrew Lloyd Weber is. How about asking Aavo Part to lighten up? I recall an incident a few years ago with a composer commissioned by Disney. In a final rehearsal, a Disney executive tried to have the last movement of the piece, which was an elegy or requium, become more lively. After all, why make death something so sad? It won't play in the 'burbs.

    There are some artists who can do business and entertain, not a problem. And some whose work, uncompromisingly, can flourish in the two domains (e.g., Glass). But fun and entertainment should be left to those who do it best and the meaning that artists convey should not be entertaining when it

    needs to be.

     


    Where Are The Young Voices?
    By Corey Dargel
    posted @ August 6, 2004 8:20 am
    At the risk of coming across as ageist, I want to point out that this
    conversation on the Future of Music is missing a vital element --
    contributions from young people. Granted, I don't know exactly how old
    everyone is, but with the exception of a very few Reader contributions, I
    have infered that most of the contributors are at least ten years older than
    I am (I am 26). The future of music is in the hands of the younger
    generation, and if this conversation is to be "Fair and Balanced," it should
    include their perspectives. If they're not participating voluntarily, then
    perhaps ArtsJournal can seek out composers, critics, and performers under
    the age of 30 (give or take) and offer them the same status as the Critics
    for the purposes of these Future of Music conversations.

    Don't misunderstand me: I believe the majority of critics and contributors
    in this conversation are progressive and aware of many of the most recent
    trends in music, and I am thoroughly interested in what they have to say
    (well, most of them anyway); but there's no denying that my peers are more
    aware of what my colleagues and I are up to than a critic from the previous
    generation. With the exception of my appearance on Kyle Gann's Listening
    List, I don't believe I've seen the names of any young and emerging
    composers.

    I hope some of you will join me in encouraging Mr. McLennan and the
    ArtsJournal staff to officially include young people in future Future of
    Music conversations, not as merely "Readers" whose comments are abridged
    unless you click on the separate Readers page, but as contributors whose
    opinions are expected (required) and not just hoped for without
    solicitation. I can think of a few active critics under 30, but if it is
    not possible to find young critics, please consider composers and
    performers. I don't mean to exclude critics who compose, but performers and
    composers are the Future of Music, and most of us don't look to critics for
    advice about what to do next. I don't think it would kill the concept of
    Critical Conversation to have one or two non-critics officially involved.

Thursday, August 5
    Summing Up
    By Brian Newhouse
    posted @ August 5, 2004 9:26 pm

    Reading through this super-blog, some things seem clear:

    --On the one hand, there are in fact plenty of compositional Big Ideas out there--postminimalism! just intonation! neoromanticism! whatever--if you just look around you a little bit.

    --On the other hand, it may be that with Big Ideas in abeyance, individual sensibilities are coming to the forefront more than ever before.

    --Then again, what do you listen to classical music for--Big Ideas or individual sensibilities?

    --If individual sensibilities count for more than Big Ideas, then how do you describe them, let alone sell them, to a non-specialist audience?

    --Contrariwise, if Big Ideas count for more than individual sensibilities, then how do you convince a non-specialist audience that these Big Ideas matter as much to them as to the music?

    --For that matter, now that classical music has definitely lost its former prestige to pop, what is there left about it worth listening to?  What has it got that pop hasn't got?  And how do we write about what's worth listening to about it now that we can't depend on prestige to buoy us up?

    --For that matter, does even pop music have the prestige it had, say, even fifteen years ago?  And what does that say about what we think about music in general?

    P.S. to Scott Cantrell: Poulenc's Dialogues des Carmelites came out in 1957, and has today at least as much of a place in the international operatic repertory as Billy Budd.


    Classical Music Doesn't Fit The PR Mold
    By Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
    posted @ August 5, 2004 9:18 pm

    I don't think talking about marketing is off-thread as Andrew Druckenbrod suggested. Here is why I brought it into this discussion: Cultural Big Ideas simply aren't Big if what they affect is a diminishingly small part of the culture. There just aren't enough ideas to go around. They all feel equally interesting in their small way.

    Because I'm not a critic, but a composer and radio show host, I am unable to draw the fabric together tightly. Also, being a composer, I am living through the process of (possible) Big Ideas developing, and so am unaware of them as we are unaware of our own human changes until we have a perspective.

    Even so, what we have witnessed, I think, is a narrowing of the receptive audience in halls and on recordings (and even on line) such that the old feedback mechanisms are totally broken. Composer, critics, and performers don't make much of a cultural pool. Whereas a band coming out of the midwest can have news travel first through an underground/subcultural press and then, together with touring, reviews, television appearances and recording releases -- all with audiences aplenty -- where is the nonpop equivalent?

    When the underground/subcultural nonpop press covers an new nonpop event, and even major critic writes about it, the process stops there. There's hardly a tour -- what ensemble can to do that in today's culture? Where are the club circuit? Where are the compositions passed from orchestra to orchestra? The joint commissions and second and third and touring performances? Where are the television appearances? Where is our nonpop personality on Letterman or Leno? The closest on Leno was composer Wendy Mae Chambers, but that was for her car horn instrument. A lot of fun, but no Big Idea there.

    The celebration is missing, the publicity madness, the very new nonpop meme doesn't exist. The filtering that takes place, good or bad, is missing -- there's no critical mass, no standard deviation, no statistical minimum sample.

    The cultural catastrophe for Big Ideas is evident: We cannot find any because there is no context within which they can be Big. Critics write lukewarm praise or dismissal, audiences (as was mentioned) have been trained to quash their reactions, and fiscal circumstances have relegated the enthusiasm-engendering pieces to be played out of town or at the academy or in the countryside -- where they are guaranteed to be forgotten. And, in the end, there is no risk (particulary an economic one) which demands return on investment. (Though our own online site carries risk for us, it's only thousands of dollars --not the tens of millions that would get an accountant's attention.)

    There is an active community on line, but it suffers from the same lack of marketing and effective presentation. Even a Big Idea magazine like Salon never carries articles about new nonpop.

    I hate to be critical without a solution, so let me try. I think that solution is found in part within the community of educated critics and writers. You have to seed the meme -- contact every critic you know, and then take this discussion public, in a coordinated way, in *all* your publications. Your jobs ultimately depend on the field's survival, unless you enjoy being part of a withering community.

    So -- like the coordinated sermons from the diocese pulpits, like the advance publicity and product tie-ins for movies, and like the pundits who hammer an idea from right-wing cable and radio -- make a case and bring that case public over and over and over again. Make the case to your editors, make the case to publications who no longer cover new nonpop, make the case so that those with economic influence will hear you, make the case so that Letterman and Leno will give five minutes for some EAR Unit madness or one of Kyle's Custer songs or the Beglarian/Kline Bilitis project over the course of a week, just as Conan O'Brien gave a week to the White Stripes.

    No, it isn't an intellectual pursuit. It is not a Big Idea. But eventually, if there is enough noise or a wide enough ground, the Big Idea will be the audible signal or the visible figure.


    Eclecticism Is Better Anyway
    By Hale Jacob
    posted @ August 5, 2004 7:40 pm
    I am painfully aware that as a young person, I have not the expertise
    of all of you, nor such solidly-formed opinions, but I’ll jump in
    anyway before it's too late, because the perspective of a young person
    seems to be missing in this conversation. I suppose that’s not
    altogether too shocking, but we are talking about the future, right?
    The question before us makes the situation sound grimmer than it
    should.

    Are there really clear advantages to being in a period of music
    characterized by a big idea? One might say that when musical language
    is more unified, critics and scholars have an easier time determining
    and rallying behind standards as they decide what music deserves
    attention and praise. Also, composers can attain greater recognition as
    members of niches. And finally, audiences can attend concerts with the
    comfort of knowing what to expect.

    If these things only vaguely sound positive, then I am afraid I can't
    answer my question. I have grown fond of the idea that we are living in
    a time without a universally-understood, glaringly-obvious big idea. It
    doesn’t mean that we suffer from a dearth of salient ideas. The future
    of music in the past has been driven by the younger generation’s
    reaction to established practices. I would like to think that the
    current atmosphere is an appropriate (and apparently effective)
    reaction to this classifying and labeling tradition. It reminds me of a
    tactic we used to employ in high school to ditch campus during lunch.
    We would gather as a mass on the corner, and on the count of three,
    take off running in every direction so that it was impossible for the
    lone school administrator to chase after all of us at once. Music
    history textbooks relate a similar scenario for the latter half of the
    twentieth century, when composers followed no logical course (as they
    supposedly had before), but instead split off in numerous directions,
    leaving the writers of history scrambling to follow the threads and
    make sense of it all. But isn’t it more fun this way? The thrill of the
    chase as we try to catch up with what is happening beneath the surface
    of pop culture. What a feast there is, and if we are willing to taste
    something more than once, we may even find something we like. My
    sincerest gratitude to the critics who have abandoned the "golden age"
    rhetoric in favor of optimism and faith in the next generation.

    What Is Live Performance, Anyway?
    By Steve Layton
    posted @ August 5, 2004 7:34 pm
    To John Shaw:

    The ascendancy of recorded music for our picture of classical music, both new
    and old, is definitely a "big idea" worth paying attention to. Yes, it's been
    going on for a while now. But not only does it continue to increase its
    dominance over how we get to know the whole historical tapestry laid out behind
    us, as well as how we experience much current acoustic music (it's the only way
    I can know almost any Grisey, Rihm, late Feldman or Cage, etc.), it's creating a
    whole form of music that *intentionally* exists nowhere else.

    Sure, that's also as old as Pierre Henry, but there's something that goes beyond
    typical definitions of "electronic" or "electroacoustic". Some of it might even
    be considered by the composer as "acoustic", no different than traditional
    classical performance. But it's primary classification is *recorded*; that idea
    becomes an integral part of the realization of the piece, not as documentation
    but rather a fundamental part of the composer's realization. Some might utilize
    live performers, some wholly digital means, some "found" recorded sound; the
    score might be fully notated (though there are now a number of options other
    than standard traditional notation), or crafted more through things similar to
    classic "studio" techniques. But the question of whether this piece can be
    performed "live" becomes irrelevant (even when the possibility might exist); the
    the piece primarily or essentially IS the recording, score, performance... and
    vice versa.

    Some of it might be in the same terrain as a Bayle or Subotnick or Curran, but
    there's something else at work here that subsumes a Stravinsky or Part into the
    same mix; it's the composer's piece from inception through realization, and that
    realization is the "masterpiece" (in the best sense of the craftsman). Part
    comes from new technological possibility, part from pure real-world
    practicality. But its evolution eventually leaves all its "born of needs"
    behind, to become its own raison d'ętre.

    Some Simple Gratitude
    By Mark Stryker
    posted @ August 5, 2004 4:06 pm

    Having just returned to the Motor City from a Maine vacation - where my wife and I were forced by state officials to leave after it was discovered that we had, apparently, eaten every single lobster in the Penobscot Bay - I just wanted to express my gratitude to my colleagues (and Doug) for such a thoughtful and stimulating discussion. How the most prolific of you managed to get any other work done in the last week is a complete mystery to me. I am still too busy catching up after two weeks away from the office to venture into the fray in any substantive way, but I did want to say that collectively your posts have clarified my thinking on key issues, reaffirmed my own prejudices at times, convinced me I was horribly misguided at other times, introduced several new and intriguing composers to me and opened many synapses along the way. (I suppose marijuana would have the same effect, but my source has dried up. Um, if John Ashcroft is snooping around here, that's a joke.) Anyway, thanks gang. I appreciate it.

    Editor's Note: The author is the classical music critic for the Detroit Free Press.


    But What of the Squeakfartists?
    By John Shaw
    posted @ August 5, 2004 2:42 pm

    Taxonomy is messier in music than in the other arts, particularly as regards recording technology.  When film came along, nobody was under any illusions that film was the same as theater, because talkies didn’t even come along for many years.  Reproductions of paintings are never promoted as substitutes for the real thing.  The distinction between live music & recorded is fuzzier.  (Things are fuzzier in theater now, and in my view a lot of mainstream foundation-supported big city theaters now serve actors and writers as the “minor leagues” for film and TV.) 

    Pop is clearer about this than classical.  Records influenced pop almost from the get-go; the limitations of the 3-minute side of a 78-rpm disc dictated form. Pop has evolved such that records are primary, live performance secondary.  (In jazz, less so; if you live in NYC, maybe *much* less so.)  Classical, that’s not the case.  Live is primary, and most sound systems can’t even cope with the wide dynamic range of Ravel’s “Bolero,” to pick an obvious example.

    Except.  Except for the tape collagists and Squeakfartists and others who rely on high technology.  Recordings are primary for most of them. And except for lots of lots of classical listeners, like me.  Live is better, but I hardly ever go.

    Sorry we haven’t heard from the Squeakfartists and tape collagists in this dialogue.


    Who Said Anything About Pop Musicians?
    By Garth Trinkl
    posted @ August 5, 2004 11:43 am

    "I thought we were invited to learn from the pop musicians"
      - Kyle Gann  "Leave No Term Unstoned"
     
    "This is not a challenge but a query about how you [Kyle] do it or might recommend we write about new music -- the more ideas here the better."
      - Andrew Druckenbrod "Reality Bites"
     
    Gentlemen, may I respectfully Recall the Question:
     
    THE QUESTION BEFORE US
    If the history of music is the recorded conversation of ideas, then where do we find ourselves in that conversation at the start of the 21st Century? In the past, musical ideas have been fought over, affirmed then challenged again, with each generation adding something new. Ultimately consensus was achieved around an idea, and that idea gained traction with a critical mass of composers.

    Now we are in a period when no particular musical idea seems to represent our age, and it appears that for the moment, at least on the surface, that there is no obvious direction music is going. So the question is: what is the next chapter in the historical conversation of musical ideas, and where are the seeds of those ideas planted? Or: Is it possible that, with traditional cultural structures fragmenting, and the ways people are getting and using culture fundamentally changing, that it is no longer possible for a unifying style to emerge? Is it still possible for a Big Idea to attain the kind of traction needed to energize and acquire a critical mass of composers and performers?"
     
    I see no reference to you being invited to learn from pop musicians.  [ArtsJournal managing editor] Douglas McLennan, in fact, in his "No Apocalypse Now", and in his cited "Newsweek" column, asked the musical community to learn from the research and development structures of the technology, business, medical, and film and publishing creative communities.  I recall no mention made to learning from pop musicians.
     
    Mr Druckenbrod, I believe that there will be numerous future critics roundtable occasions for you to ask Kyle Gann your question.


    Gann's Got It Right
    By Jan Herman
    posted @ August 5, 2004 8:33 am

    A message to Kyle Gann:

    Regarding your entry titled Leave No Term Unstoned:   What a
    great post, especially for us non-specialists.

    I was also pleased -- and surprised -- to see your mention of Alison Knowles
    and Yoshi Wada. You didn't mention the composer Philip Corner, but given
    your breadth of previous references and your familiarity with Fluxus, I
    presume you know of him, too.

    Once upon a time, back in 1971 I think it was and in another life, I
    published a little book called "The Identical Lunch," which is based on a
    musical score by Knowles. The amusing text by Corner is about a tunafish
    lunch and its variations. Along with that was the "Journal of The Identical
    Lunch," which Knowles edited. The lunch itself was a tunafish sandwich on
    wheat toast, lettuce and butter, no mayo, and a large glass of buttermilk,
    or a cup of soup and was performed by many well-known artists and writers.

    I have no idea what "ism" applies, but maybe you or someone else could come
    up with one. If Dick Higgins were still alive, he could doubtless name it.
    (He was married to Knowles and published many Fluxus pamphlets as well as a
    reprint of Henry Cowles's "New Musical Resources.")

    Anyway, it seems to me your post pretty serves as a CC capper.

    Editor's Note: The author is an ArtsJournal blogger.


    Big Ideas? How About Melody?
    By John N. McBaine
    posted @ August 5, 2004 7:20 am

    Dear Fellow Classical Music Lovers:

    In answer to ArtsJournal.Com's apparently serious, and thus pretentious
    question "[W]hether or not it is still possible for a Big Idea to
    animate classical music" may I offer the following as a possibilty:
    Melody.........singable, danceable, hummable, organ-grindable,
    uplifting, happiness-making, inspiring, lasting and eternal Melody.

    Thank you for your consideration.


Wednesday, August 4
    so what's the big idea?
    By John Shaw
    posted @ August 4, 2004 4:28 pm

    I may have missed something, but here’s the tally of Big Ideas so far:

    1. There is no big idea.

    1.A.  Fragmentation, or the lack of a big unifying idea, is the big idea.

    1.A.i.  The individualism of composers going their own way is the big idea.

    1.B.  Critics worrying about whether there is a big idea is a big new phenomenon.

    2.  Polyrhythmic expansions on the rhythmic complexities of the classic minimalists is a big, or at least a medium-sized, idea.

    3.  Intersection of the European-derived Institutional musical tradition (my pet pedantic name for Classical) with demotic and un-notated musical traditions is a big idea (the so-called “high/low” nexus).

    3.A.  Intersection of ditto with music from radically different cultural-musical traditions is a big new idea.

    3.A.i.  Composers from radically different cultural-musical traditions coming to the European-derived tradition and bringing some of their local style with them constitute a big idea (a permutation of 3.A.). 

    4.  New performance practices, such as those regarding staging of operas, or talking to the audience between numbers at symphony concerts, or performing in non-traditional venues, constitute a big new idea.

    5.  Classical music has lost its cultural prestige, and therefore its use in our culture, and the resulting status-anxiety is a major cause of its current funding and marketing troubles; and this constitutes a big new reality.  (Reader and new-music-ensemble leader John Harris wrote about this on July 29, and Wynne Delacoma seconded at least part of it.)

    No consensus as to which of these is really big, or really new.  But an interesting list!

    The “future” sounds more exciting than the present, but what we’re really talking about, mostly, is the present.  Which, as the composers who have chimed in have insisted on, is all that matters.


    Point of Clarification
    By Marc Geelhoed
    posted @ August 4, 2004 2:41 pm
    As happens so often, I find I need to clarify my thoughts. I didn't mean to imply that I think it's wonderful that someone is thrown into a violent rage by a new piece of music they didn't like just because it shows that they have a pulse or that they're obviously engaged, as Kyle pointed out I did (can't seem to attach a hyperlink; it's Nothing to Do with Big Ideas). I was thinking more along the lines that I'd rather have someone disappointed and saying so about a new work rather than having them A) Feel they're not smart enough to express their opinion or B) Think they have to like it but don't know why they didn't. Of course I don't want anyone ever to be so upset by a new piece that they're furious at the creator(s) and performer(s). Disappointment is fine, outrage is not. Sorry for misreading Wynne Delacoma's post.

    A Little of This, A Little of That
    By B. Fleming
    posted @ August 4, 2004 2:20 pm

    If, in the past, composers have used their knowledge of audiences expectations to help make their creative decisions (in which case, composers with similar audiences would have a similar set of expectations against which to respond), then perhaps a new "big idea" or unifying idea will not be possible until a new creative directive (something that takes the place of the past's known quantity of audience expectations) emerges that can be responded to by multiple composers during a similar period in time.

    In respect to music education, I wonder how many Contemporary Music survey courses at even the best music schools would even touch on more than two of the composers that [Kyle Gann] mentioned. How can we expect any one outside of elite musical circles to have any familiarity with these composers?

    I really enjoyed [Greg Sandow's] comments on performance trends, though I would point out that not everyone in the audience shares [his] views on performers' freedoms and choices. While I prefer to defend performers choices (having once been a performer myself and love performance history due to the fact that performances of a single work have changed tremendously over time), I have heard emotional and lively performers such as the pianist Lang Lang criticized heavily for "pushing" the limits of what a composer intended.

    To tie this in with new composers, I would like to see more of the trend of composers developing relationships with performers and ensembles that they respect. I think this makes for a really interesting dynamic when introducing a new work to the repertoire.


    Paging Arthur Sabatini...
    By Gary Panetti
    posted @ August 4, 2004 2:18 pm
    Mr. Sabatini:
    Can you expand on "artist-oriented" critical writing? You used Alex
    Ross's very fine writing in the New Yorker as an example.

    Lists, Categories, & Big Ideas Miss The Point
    By Joan La Barbara
    posted @ August 4, 2004 2:09 pm
    As a neophyte blogger, I must admit I don't know how one manages to read all of this and still get any work done!  Having said that, I'll also admit I haven't read every comment but Nicholas Kenyon finally hit it on the mark!  The "Big Ideas", "isms" and named categories happen afterwards and, while it is interesting to see what name critics apply to certain groups of individual composers, many of those composers eschew the categories anyway, preferring to simply do their own work and get on with it.  Sometimes being included in a particular category has had an inhibiting effect on the expansion of the musical output of certain composers.  And for those of you who seem to need to make lists of the "great composers" of the day, please remember the lessons of Mozart and Salieri, Beethoven and Hummel ...

    Nicholas, hope you can make my performances October 25 & 26 at Royal Festival Hall, and to my critic friends and everyone in NY, hope you can make my performances October 11 at NYU's Frederick Loewe theatre (an evening of my music, presenting work-in-progress on my new opera about Viriginia Woolf's extraordinary mind) and on October 17 as part of the "Sounds Like Now" festival at La Mama.

    Since you were all tooting horns, thought I'd toot a bit, too.

    Education & Audience Engagement
    By John Shaw
    posted @ August 4, 2004 1:59 pm

    Maybe it’s a function of growing up in the provinces (Kalamazoo, Mich., in my case), but I’ve never known people not to be confident in their dismissal of modern arts.  My pianist grandmother (B.A., piano, Northwestern, some time in the ‘20s) didn’t like the Schoenbergian strain and one year for Christmas bought me Henry Pleasants’ amusing diatribe “The Agony of Modern Music.”  (A friend promptly stole the title for the free-jazz-influenced folk album he was recording at the time, which I played on.)

    Kalamazoo has in recent years hosted an international piano festival.  My semi-pro pianist mom catches a few concerts every year, and when she can’t get someone else to go she takes my dad.  Dad’s musical sensibility doesn’t run far beyond swing-era pop, bawdy songs, singing in church, football fight songs, and patriotic songs and marches, so I was interested to hear that he liked the new compositions at the concert he attended this year.  He didn’t remember the composer, but he liked it that the percussionists moved around a lot and switched instruments – it was interesting.  The 19th century standard repertoire on the program was boring to him, and he said so, without rancor.  (Again, didn’t get the composer(s) name(s).)

    I agree with Beata, that arts education would be good for people and for art.  Forgive the excessive Seattle talk, but when Paul Allen opened his interactive rock museum and called it “Experience Music Project,” the pretentiousness and bad faith of the name rang out loud and clear.  If he were serious about wanting people to experience music, he would put his money into public school music education – super-cheap subsidized instrumental rentals for everybody who wants it.  When people learn to do something, they get more interested in seeing the pros.  Speaking here as a terrible but formerly enthusiastic basketball player myself, who’s sad that my friends’ pick-up game died out.  (Charles Rosen has written a lot about this.)


    A Matter of Education
    By Beata Moon
    posted @ August 4, 2004 8:41 am

    How can we improve music education? I think Kyle’s point about American audiences not feeling competent to respond to music is an important one.

    So often have I witnessed children responding intuitively to classical music only to have their responses quelled by the adults (either classroom teachers or parents in this case) telling them that they should or should not react in a certain way.  Unfortunately, most of us are made to feel that we don’t have enough knowledge to respond to classical music (new or old), or that classical music should evoke only certain emotions and responses.

    I think we need to find ways not only to bring back music education in the schools, but ways to improve the music education that currently exists in the schools.  Children are taught at an early age not to trust their instincts when it comes to classical music.

    Justin questions whether ignorance causes indifference or the other way around.  If children are encouraged to compose, experiment with sounds, if they had teachers who acted as facilitators rather than lecturers, I think that music would play a prominent role in society.


    Back to Big Ideas
    By Garth Trinkl
    posted @ August 4, 2004 8:31 am
    So we're back to big ideas... you mean like having American composers team up with distinguished, and popular, poets and writers to write new operas and choral works for American opera houses and concert halls? ...  Glimpses of this idea include John Adams's "El Nino", and his, and Peter Sellars's, "Doctor Atomic" (though I'm already intrigued by the fact that poet Alice Goodman declined the project, and no alternative librettist was brought aboard); Julia Wolfe, Michael Gordon, David Lang, DJ Spooky, and Deborah Artmann's "Lost Objects" oratorio, premiered in Dresden, Germany;  and Aaron Jay Kernis's upcoming opera, based upon Ann Patchett, "Bel Canto".  This idea, of course, has a strong history in England, with such examples as Harrison Birtwistle's operas and his dance-oratorio, with American poet, Robin Blaser, "The Last Supper"; and Michael Berkeley's oratorios and operas with Ian McEwen and David Malouf. ...  I will not go on.
     
    However, I will second reader Nicholas Kenyon's comment, here, that it is probably "beyond belief" to expect a stylistic synthesis to appear, world-wide, in the next generation.  Musicologist Richard Crocker thought that he glimpsed a stylistic synthesis at the beginning of the 1960s, and his prediction did not prove accurate ... to date.
     
    [Stuttgart had its Bach Commemoration Project in 2000, which yielded major works by Penderecki, Rihm, Gubaidulina, Golijov, and Tan. One of the beauties of the project, in my opinion, was that it celebrated musical stylistic diversity in the year 2000 C.E.]
     
    Perhaps, the assembled critics could mention opera, or oratorio, subjects that they would like to see Philip Glass, John Adams, Laurie Anderson, Stephen Hartke, and others, invited to create. Or is it inappropriate for critics to do this?
     
    [I personally would like to see Alvin Curran write a new J.M. Coetzee opera or oratorio; for Mr Hartke to set Taslima Nasrin, as well as Old English texts; and for Eve Beglarian to be invited to write an opening choral piece for the New York Philharmonic's 2005-06, or 2006-07, Season.]
     
    How about major American institutions in New York, Washington,  Chicago, San Francisco,  and Los Angeles developing an "Animating American Opera and Oratorio" project based upon unifying themes such as "American Opera and Oratorio in an Age of Terror"?  The new General Directors of the MET and the San Francisco Opera could serve as Co-Chairs of the project.

    Another Composer's Viewpoint
    By Beata Moon
    posted @ August 4, 2004 6:37 am

    As a composer and performer (see Kyle Gann's list of postminimalists), I know that when I compose, I am not trying to follow a musical trend or style, nor am I aiming to create a new one. I want to write music that will speak to all listeners; music that is true and sincere.

    As artists, we each bring our individual histories, whatever that may be, to our work. Because I was classically-trained as a pianist and didn't start composing until after college, my musical influences growing up were dominated by the Western, traditional piano repertoire. I didn't even know that living composers (let alone women composers) existed until college.

    Regardless of style or genre, I think music with a strong, sincere voice will be heard and most likely will endure. My question is how can we make new music relevant in today's society?

    As Greg wrote, we are suffering from a disconnect between classical music and the rest of our culture. Wasn't there a time in this country when everyone shared common classical musical references? Household names included not only performers and conductors (like Horowitz, Heifetz and Toscanini) but composers and music educators like Leonard Bernstein, Deems Taylor and Sigmund Spaeth.

    We live in such a different world today, and I think the lack of acceptance of new music in American society has a lot to do with the decline in music education throughout the nation (in addition to the kind of world we live in - faster-paced, technology-driven with overwhelming amounts of information, all competing with one another to distract and entertain us).

    Look at Finland, for example. New music flourishes because music education is an integral part of their society. Some Finnish children learn to read music before they even learn to read words. Talented musicians continue to come out of Finland - Kaija Saariaho, Esa-Pekka Salonen, Magnus Lindberg. see article

    If everyone in this country had music education that was thorough and more open-minded in its teachings, I believe they would be able to connect and relate to more of the music that is being written today.

    Since unfortunately this is not the case, composers and performers must reach out to audiences beyond the traditional way of doing things. I commend cellist Matt Haimovitz's efforts to reach out to broader audiences by performing both traditional and contemporary works in unusual venues.

    I'm at work on my second disc of original chamber works, Earthshine, (due out in the fall) and I aim to promote my CDs by selling them at solo piano recitals. Nowadays, we composers must do it on our own. Since the support isn't out there, we have to be innovative and think like entrepreneurs.

    I'm proud to say I produced this upcoming disc, as well as my first one, Perigee & Apogee, through funds raised from private donors. This time around, I am launching Earthshine on my own label so as to sustain funds for future projects.

    Getting new music out there is an uphill battle, but I am hopeful. I work with many children and adults of all backgrounds as a music teaching artist with Lincoln Center Institute. I know that they, the children especially, are so open to new music when they are exposed to it by someone they can relate to and trust.

    Audiences need new music guides they can trust, and I don�t think critics are always looked upon as reliable sources. Composers and performers need to work together, regardless of style or genre, to invite others to join us in our diverse musical worlds.

    It's not unlike the lobbying efforts of the politicians today. Composers need to reach out and connect with people outside their field, their potential audiences, and convince people why they should listen to us.

    Beata Moon
    Composer/Pianist


Tuesday, August 3
    Insulted Concert-goers
    By Marc Geelhoed
    posted @ August 3, 2004 11:14 pm
    To Wynne Delacoma's mention of concert-goers who are upset when they hear a new piece and don't like it, I say, "That's great!" It means they're involved, that they care, that they wanted to have an experience they could remember. And remember positively, moreover. If it happened to be a piece that I or another critic thought was actually very good or good but not up to the composer's other works, that's OK, too. I'll take a passionate insult over an indifferent shrug any day.

    It's been said by some critics that the music audience, compared to other arts audiences, tends to be too passive and not willing to trust itself enough. If people hear a new piece and don't like it, they tend to blame themselves for not being smart enough to "get it." The reaction Wynne Delacoma describes contradicts this mealy-mouthed attitude, and I think it's fine, so long as the person comes back again. Which they probably will, if they like music enough.

    I've heard audience-members complain about new pieces at intermissions in Chicago, and had their friends tell them that people said the same things about Mahler when he was still alive. These discussions are welcome and bode well for the future, for composers and orchestras, as well as for critics, who need an audience too, after all.

    On a less-exalted plane, the insulted concert-goer may simply feel gipped out of a lot of money spent on a ticket. As to what has happened to create an intimidated music audience, I think it goes back to the Second Viennese School. And I admire the Second Viennese School! But there was a break with the audience in that time period and people ceased listening to them. By the time Boulez and Stockhausen came along and decided to build on and expand the ideas of the Second Viennesers, by way of Messiaen (greatly simplifying here), enough people had ceased listening to what came before the Darmstadt group to be thoroughly flummoxed by them.

    It could be argued that the reaction against the Darmstadt group by the neo-Romantics, Minimalists, post-minimalists and everyone else led to the lack of attention they perceive today because they're trying to move away from a group that a large part of the audience doesn't appreciate. (For what it's worth, I'm of the opinion that appreciating the Darmstadt group and others like them is not hard to come by. If it's presented well and without condescension and scare-tactics, the audience will come along.)


    Critical Civility
    By AC Douglas
    posted @ August 3, 2004 7:11 pm

    Scott Cantrell wrote: "I'm apparently not alone in feeling that too much of this has degenerated into one-upsmanship and looking down noses. Let's have disagreement, fine, but the condescending tone of at least one contributor hardly illuminates anything except--well, we won't go there. No wonder readers don't like critics."

    And John Rockwell commented: "And I definitely agree with Scott's latest posting, about civility."

    Interesting. That fraying of the edges of civility among the professionals here seemed to me a most welcome sign of critical good health, and the very thing that made this symposium's exchanges (among the professionals) so encouraging.

    Time enough for dispassionate civility in your print columns, gentlemen (and ladies), where y'all are peddling learning and wisdom to the Great Unwashed. Here, among yourselves, it seems to me, is the place for the free and forthright expression of your informed passions and prejudices, and their justifications.

    It's the lack of that free and forthright expression in print that makes what should be a vital and vigorous public conversation in the media among professional music critics seem instead (to quote myself), "...[arguments] more appropriate to genteel luncheon and dinner parties where it's considered the height of gauche to argue in any manner that might upset the digestion of those seated at table. Arguing in that dispassionate, genteel way makes members of [the mainstream critical fraternity] feel they've been informative and reasonable, when all they've managed to be is glib...while at the same time keeping hands clean, hair un-mussed, and digestion undisturbed -- theirs, their fellow music critics', and their readers'."


    apologies
    By John Shaw
    posted @ August 3, 2004 7:10 pm
    I agree with Scott Cantrell too, and apologize for my sharing my misplaced, presumptuous anger about Mr. Rockwell’s presentation in Seattle a couple months ago. His graciousness in response humbles me.

    If the cultural ground has shifted – probably not 180 degrees, true – Mr. Rockwell would probably not be remiss in thinking his work had something to do with that shift. Which seemed to be at least part of his goal in the book.

    We’re all here because we love music. As Ms. Delacoma has pointed out in her post about listener anger towards Music-One-Dislikes, music goes deep into people’s hearts and souls. It’s hot stuff. I, for one, need to make my peace with the truth that different people deal with it differently.

    Mr. Context
    By Arthur J. Sabatini
    posted @ August 3, 2004 7:09 pm

    Well, admittedly, John Rockwell, I do not read everything you write, so I will defer to other commentators. But, while you might think you are Mr. Context, your reviews, not feature writing, too often become strongly evaluative. I think Gann & Ross are more artist oriented in their writing. That is not a problem, however, unless your intent is to be more historical than judgemental, etc. In any case, I still do not see the basis for stating that Gann (or anyone of the principle writers involved in this discussion) do not hear enough or write about a breadth of music.


    All American Music
    By John Shaw
    posted @ August 3, 2004 2:40 pm

    John Rockwell’s book meant something to me when I read it 20 years ago, as a music-poetry-theater obsessed college student for whom high-low distinctions had never existed, growing up in a bourgeois family where my mom and my grandma were equally enthralled by the classical music and the show tunes they played on piano.  I read about Ives and Varese in books on my parents’ shelf, took piano lessons, played punk rock, loved Ornette Coleman & Ellington & N. Young & L. Anderson & Art Ensemble & John Cage & Nancarrow & Mozart & J. Strauss & Sousa, and all of this was normal to my family and my friends (well, few friends dug Sousa or Strauss); Rockwell’s book confirmed my experience. 

    I tried to re-read it a few years ago & just couldn’t get into it.  Probably not Rockwell’s fault – he was intervening in a high-low culture war whose terrain has shifted big time in the years since.  At that time, for 50 or 60 years, jazz partisans and then rock partisans had been banging on the door of high culture, saying, hey, we’re valid too!  Rockwell was in a powerful position to say, Yes!, and he said it, and that is very cool.

    20 years later, the roles are somewhat reversed.  Rock is ascendant (rock, not pop – I’m talking about cultural prestige, not money).  Jazz is still on the ropes & frankly needs the institutional-educational-repertory support that classical enjoys.  Rock, in its ascendancy, more-or-less doesn’t care about classical, and as Wynne Delacoma pointed out, showing up at the symphony is not a requisite of prestige with anybody.  So now some of the classical-ists want some of rock (or pop’s – hell, anybody’s) juice.  (I said SOME of the classical-ists; and I honor those who stubbornly go their own way.)  The roles are reversed, and if an update to Rockwell’s book were needed, it would need to come from a rock-ist, saying, hey, some of this ivory tower stuff is pretty cool.

    Living in Seattle, I had the opportunity to hear Rockwell speak at the recent rock conference (they call it a pop conference, but Rockwell and Ross are right to mis-call it a rock conference).  And he really upset me.  He prepared no remarks and boasted about not even taking up all of his allotted time.  He coasted.  Oh well.  Then, in the Q & A, he even mildly dissed a fellow critic on his panel for being too reverential toward music.  That upset me.  It made me mad – still does – but thinking about it now, it makes me sad.  For Rockwell. 


    "Big Ideas" - Which Direction?
    By Steve Layton
    posted @ August 3, 2004 2:28 pm

    Random aesthetic questions (wrapping a few assumptions) that I've been turning over ever since reading Leonard B. Meyers' "Music, The Arts and Ideas" many years ago:

    Which metaphorical direction do ideas have to be in to become "big"? "Up"? "Out"? Against"?

    We can call anything a work of art; what kind of attribute are we imbuing it with, that a moment before the same object wasn't given?

    The Earth is only so big; given enough time running around the surface of it, we end up never able to climb a new mountain, discover a new island, etc. We still create new, important, personal experiences, but the direction is different. Is there something similar in Aesthetics?

    What happens when we include ideas in the artstic "sphere" that were excluded before? More specifically, what happens when we finally allow the last door in the sphere to be opened, that includes everything in the sphere? Where do we "go" then for the next big idea?

    Is Aesthetics in the big sense, like the universe itself, a kind of finite-yet-unbounded place? If it is, how do we come to terms with it ? Where do we find the same level of value and importance when the direction can only go "back", around", "through"?


    Seeking: Multiple Judgments
    By Garth Trinkl
    posted @ August 3, 2004 2:26 pm
    I must admit to being irked by Kyle Gann's comment about many American music critics limiting their interests to "the 40 guys [sic] who get orchestra commissions".  I hardly believe this to be true. Is it?
     
    And what is wrong with Lou Harrison, Philip Glass, Steve Reich, John Adams, Ingram Marshall,  Gloria Coates, Tan Dun, Anne LeBaron, Wynton Marsalis, Susan Botti, and many other American musical creators receiving major orchestral commissions following long years on avant-guard new music circuits [or jazz circuits]? I only wish that major American avant-guard creators, such as Alvin Curran, Frederic Rzewski, Gloria Coates, and many others, would receive more opportunities to write orchestral and choral works in America.
     
    Does Kyle Gann believe that Philip Glass's Symphony #5 (Choral) "Requiem, Bardo, Nirmanakaya",  Ingram Marshall's "Kingdom Come" [dedicated to his brother in law, a journalist killed in Bosnia], and John Adams's "On the Transmigration of  Souls" [we all know, or should know, its dedication] is selling out, by these distinguished American creators, to the establishment? Many of these superb American creators were just as classically trained as other American composers who were embraced much earlier by the American musical establishment. 
     
    Haven't these orchestral, and choral, works enlivened our public culture?  I, for one, think that it is wonderful when a composer such as John Adams's wins the Pulitzer Music Prize. ( I think that it is less than wonderful that American award winning compositions are not immediately and repeatedly broadcast on public radio and television, and issued on disc, perhaps at promotional prices the way EMI marketed some of Thomas Ades's works.)
     
    I wanted to thank Alex Ross for bringing to my, and our, attention Lera Auerbach's "24 Preludes for Violin and Piano."  While I know Magnus Linberg's "Aura:  In Memorium Witold Lutoslawski";  Thomas Ades's "Asyla", Osvaldo Golijov's "St. Mark Passion", Steve Reich and Beryl Korot's "Three Tales",  and John Adams's "Naive and Sentimental Music" — and other works by John Moran, Helmut Oehring and Iris ter Schiphorst, and Lou Harrison — Lera Auerbach was a new name to me.  A recommendation, for listening and performance, coming from Alex Ross is indeed exciting.
     
    I wanted to list here my quickly compiled list of a baker's dozen listening bets — not necessarily "best bets", but hopefully some that other readers will consider "interesting bets".
     
    Thank you for sharing the road.
     
    John Adams "On the Transmigration of Souls"
    Harrison Birtwistle "Theseus Games" or "Pulse Shadows";
    Gloria Coates "Symphonies";        
    Philip Glass "Symphony #5: "Requiem, Bardo, Nirmanakaya", 
    Sofia Gubaidulina "St. John Passion";
    Stephen Hartke "Symphony #2";  
    Toshio Hosokawa  "Memory of the Sea" and "Vision of Lear";
    Hanspeter Kyburz "The Voynich Cipher Manuscript" and "Malstrom";
    Ingram Marshall "Kingdom Come";
    Wolfgang Rihm "Deus Passus";
    Peter Ruzicka and Peter Mussbach "Paul Celan";
    Matthias Pintscher "Five Orchestral Pieces"
    Valentin Silvestrov "Symphony #7" and "Requiem for Larissa".

    John Rockwell on Gann and Ross, and Greg, too
    By Arthur J. Sabatini
    posted @ August 3, 2004 10:08 am

    When John Rockwell gripes that Kyle Gann has devoted his career to certain composers and suggests that he pick up on the composers Alex Ross mentions, he indirectly brings up a point regarding musical worlds and critical positions that needs further discussion. From my reading over decades, I find Gann to have a far more thorough social and historist sense of contemporary composer's careers and the specific trajectories of their music than John Rockwell.

    Rockwell is the type of critic who seems far more willing to hear (and judge) music piece by piece and not as part of an artist's life's work. I often stop reading him when I discern that he fails to place music he is writing about in any context, as if just the sound and performance of one piece on one night were enough to know what a work may mean or what a composer's ideas are. Unfortunately, I think that has something to do with the uptown/downtown and NYC vs. non-NY music worldview, not to mention academic/non-academic approaches.

    That last comment also pertains to Alex Ross' work. Nearly all of the compositions Ross mentions are by composers-who-need-no-introduction and whose works are presented in major, oh well, uptown venues. Ross, for the most part, generally contextualizes the work he reviews in the New Yorker, but he rarely ventures into Gann's musical neighborhoods. This is, in some sense a good thing; and thank-you, Greg Sandow, for being all over the place. (Sandow, by the way, recently had a perceptive AJ Blog on the different audiences & the places in NYC they hear and respond to music). This is all not meant to be personal, each writer represents a "type" and, in a way, an aesthetic that could be addressed.

    Points of discussion: there are no transcendent ideas without history and context, which audiences bring to work and is sanctioned by the institutions and discourses that surround productions. To respond to music or art without contexts is to buy into (sorry for this old term) anonymous commodification of material and denial of individual creative evolution. This is especially significant when writing about living composers whose work or ideas are not known.

    Second, as Alex Ross points out, there are no ideas without accounting for artistic lives and careers. This applies to critics as well, who need, as Gann often does (following Virgil Thomson, for one), to declare their positions and allegiances. Purely "detached" or "objective" critical writing is credible only up to a point, which is nevertheless generally determined by the publication (like one that would hold to the convention of such form of address as "Mr. Ice Cube.") This is, of course, not to argue for impressionistic responses; there is much more at stake.

    John Rockwell advises Gann to spread his wings, to which, I would suggest Rockwell grab a Metro Card to visit more composers at work, pick up his his walking stick, and use his expense account to get on the road and not just in the concert hall.


    Glad to be that somebody
    By David Carter
    posted @ August 3, 2004 7:14 am

    "The musical equivalent would have been a composer who, in a white heat of creation, spewed out music -- but writing it down, not improvising it in concert. (Of course, somebody's sure to point out some composer who did just this." - Greg Sandow

    I'd like to be that somebody - Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji (1892 - 1988) an enormously prolific composer, who completed more than one hundred works between 1915 and 1984. Many are for piano solo; some are of enormous dimensions. He wrote over 10,000 pages of manuscript. His works are fearsomely complex, through composed with no direct repetition of any kind. They where written from top left to bottom right at break neck speed with no pre-sketching and virtually no correction after the event, even the two massive symphonies for huge orchestra and chorus, 824 and 1001 pages of A2. Those who actually saw him compose (which were very few indeed) said that he indeed "spewed out music*in the white heat of creation".

    Very much a minor figure (indeed a non-figure) during his lifetime entirely by choice and the thought of being part of any "idea" let alone a "big idea" would have been completely repugnant to him. Sorabji was himself a prolific critic and music journalist. One of my favourite Sorabji quotes was directed against his fellow critics "Insects that are merely noisome like to think that they can also sting."

    David Carter
    London


    Big Idea? Not
    By Nicholas Kenyon
    posted @ August 3, 2004 7:11 am

    Whether or not I qualify (as an ex-music critic) to contribute to this fascinating discussion, let me just make one comment: it is absolutely inconceivable that there could or should any longer be a ‘big idea’ or a prevailing musical mainstream. A century of recording and broadcasting, increasingly making all musics available to all, has completely changed our concept of musical tradition and influence in ways it is impossible to underestimate.

    It is now generations since there has been a single idea or mainstream for any composer to react to or develop or fight against. Creative decisions today take place in an utterly different context from those in the past.

    Nicholas Kenyon,
    Director, BBC PROMS


Monday, August 2
    Big Ideas... Who Needs Them?
    By James Weaver
    posted @ August 2, 2004 11:26 pm

    While my background is in the visual arts, I am an accomplished guitarist. As Wynne Delacoma accurately points out, none of us are ever going to become capable of predicting the "next big" anything. Worse yet, while John Cage's incorporating Zen Buddhist practices to composition and performance may still have a strong potential, his 1962 "Silent piece 0' 0" personifies Delacoma's statement:"...schools of thought that stifle creativity rather than stimulate it."

    Whenever mediocre thought and subsequent performance are elevated to the level of being news worthy based on timing rather than content, a glaring problem exists. The hell-bent attempts to periodically merge "art and technology" into some magical Disneyesque experience for artdom to celebrate, has most always resulted in shallow, human removed exercises that the advertising industry thrives on to reach their mass of consumers. Rauschenberg's "Mud Muse" is a case in point, what is even the intended content of that piece? Computer-generated imagery on the same level of accomplishment and/or content as the Chauvet cave horse paintings.

    Sorry, does not compute. Former U of M artist/instructor John Link, once astutely observed: "Art doesn't give a damn who creates the next masterpiece, just so long as someone does." I think music will continue to operate under that same decree.


    To Greg, Justin: Hermetic Music
    By Tom Hamilton
    posted @ August 2, 2004 7:30 pm

    Greg: I've read your 3rd point, where you ask why improvisation, as manifest in the 1950s and likened to the procedures of Pollock and Kerouac, seemed to be rejected by the musical mainstream, in favor of a kind of musical formalism.

    The idea that improvisation can be handily introduced into classical concert music has been largely built on a misunderstanding of the nature of both of those great processes. Each requires far different musical skills, and more importantly, each requires a dedication to a unique sensibility that transcends the skills themselves. It seems to me that on balance, the separation between traditional Western improvisational and interpretive forms has proved to be a healthy one. Much of the enjoyment of hearing fine musicians lies in the appreciation of the dedication to a particular point of view come to life in a specific performance. And I'm sure we've all had our disappointments with hybrids that end up at best as a musical "surf 'n turf."

    Improvisational forms are present in much experimental music of the last few decades. If the likely roots for this are in jazz, it has certainly moved into procedural realms that are as far-removed from those origins as they are from so-called concert music. There's your "third stream" - at this point, a wholly different genre, much more open to the changeable ideas of the Art world at large, and much more able to participate in that change. Whether it's part of the NY Times-reading mainstream or not, is (to me) beside the point: It is the life work of musicians more interested in creating the present than connecting to the past.


    A Problem of Marketing
    By Corey Dargel
    posted @ August 2, 2004 5:59 pm

    I have been following the Critical Conversation discussion, and I would like to offer my contribution:Compared to the NYC new-music scene, the NYC independent (pop) music scene consistently draws a wider demographic and larger pool of listeners to hear its emerging artists. The venues and the artists themselves take a more proactive role in marketing emerging composers, songwriters, and musicians, so the interesting things that are happening in the pop music world are heard about and talked about a lot (and by a lot of different people).

    Interesting things and Big Ideas are certainly happening in the concert music world, but they're not being heard about or talked about because concerts are not being marketed well. New music promoters should focus on attracting young audiences and emerging composers before we all become completely jaded.

    Here are some ways we might achieve that: Composers and new music presenters should market their work more actively and with more innovative thinking. Composers can't realistically expect to reach beyond their circles of friends and colleagues without some sort of marketable identity. To create these identities, composers and performers could join forces to create a collective, like Meme Music for one example (http://www.mememusic.com). Alternatively, individual composers/performers could each cultivate a "persona" that manifests itself in performance and gives listeners a reason to attend live concerts *in addition to* listening to recordings, promoting the concept that a recording is not the "complete" portrait, and that going to a concert is necessary to experience the whole. I have always thought of people like Robert Ashley, Eve Beglarian, Pauline Oliveros, and Amy X. Neuburg in this way.

    Music critics should write more PREview articles, in an effort to bring more audiences to upcoming events. Positive REviews of one-time concerts of music by emerging composers may be forgotten by the time the composers' music is performed again. [Nobody take this personally please!]

    Finally, venues/presenters that tend to present established artists should host events in which a collection of emerging artists are presented (on one bill) with the same courtesy, production values, quality performers, and publicity that established artists enjoy. I believe it would not be difficult to find funding for such an "outreach" event, and it truly *could* strengthen the community, if it were handled with genuine and professional care. The Kitchen (NYC) may claim to do this with Kitchen House Blend, but KHB usually features established and semi-established composers, not truly emerging composers.

    I've had a lot of support from composers, performers, and some smaller presenters in the concert-music world, and this support has been invaluable to me. That is why I strive to advocate change in the concert-music world rather than just removing myself from it. But the support I've experienced from the independent (pop) music world brings with it the potential for my music to reach a broader and more diverse audience, and sadly I can't imagine such potential in today's concert-music world. How jaded am I?

    Corey Dargel
    composer/performer
    Brooklyn, NY
    http://www.automaticheartbreak.com


    Of Sheep Heads And Music
    By P. Bailey
    posted @ August 2, 2004 5:56 pm

    When I put on concerts, one of the main obstructions to bringing in an audience is marketing. The amount of money spent to promote the LA Phil and related organizations gives many people a sense that it is the "thing" to do. The practicality of putting on a concert in an alternative venue (church, art gallery, museum) can limit the exposure and coverage of the event. In Los Angeles, the official Green Umbrella "New Music" Concerts are really setup to promote the direction of the LA Phil and the orchestra as a whole. Their mailings, posters, radio ads and banners give the public a sense of confidence in the quality of the presentation. Of course when you attend the concert you realize that you might have been swindled. Or feel that you are not smart enough to "understand" the music.

    So the problem for any alternative ensemble, is that unless we are playing in an establishment venue or concert series then we can only bring in the same 50-60 people (heavy on friends and family) that come out to our concerts on a consistent basis.

    I recently met a music producer, Ronan Murphy, who I found out I had much in common with. Although he makes his living making punk, and progressive rock records, we both could talk in detail about early Glass and Reich records that we really love. Knowing this I wondered his views on why they had not "caught on" more. He said it was like teaching the public to eat sheep heads.

    What?

    He was recording an album in Iceland and having a dinner with a Afghan and a Swede. They saw that there was sheep head on the menu and ordered it immediately. He was horrified, but decided to try it. Of course it was wonderful, but it was not something he ever thought he would like. So our goal is getting people to like sheep heads. Maybe, with the right marketing campaign...

    Through marketing we could get there, but who will pick up the cost? I feel that whoever gets some traction and gets halfway their will open the door for the rest of us.

    Until then we push on.


    Re: Kyle's Listening Examples
    By Steve Layton
    posted @ August 2, 2004 9:51 am

    Yes, that's helpful, and a nice list (though not terribly "new" to anyone paying fair attention over the last couple decades). For a really broad slice of the current spectrum, including much fine work by people that don't even begin to approach the fringes of the "official radar", I'd like to recommend two sites:

    www.kalvos.org is the home of "Kalvos and Damian's New Music Bazaar", a composer-run (Dennis Báthory-Kitsz and David Gunn), Vermont-based radio program that's closing in on show #500. Besides offering both interviews and examples of all kinds of music being made today, both here and abroad, they early on took the visionary step of archiving virtually ALL of these programs online (even including at least one with Mr. Gann himself), available to anyone literally anywhere, 24/7. It's an amazing resource, and a fantastic introduction to the wide world of what's being created in the name of Art Music.

    The second resource is www.netnewmusic.net, a site created by my fellow composer/pal Jeff Harrington, and which I'm happy to help out with. At the heart it's simply a nexus of links to online musicians worldwide, each producing Art Music that we personally have listened to and happen to find interesting. Equally important there is that the vast majority of these links offer a number of full-length pieces freely available for listening, so direct from the artist to their audience.

    In both of these cases, What becomes important is not the name, affiliation, publisher/label, awards, reputation, "buzz", etc; rather it's simply do they make good music?


    Marketing anyone?
    By Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
    posted @ August 2, 2004 9:26 am

    Is it too much to expect that nearly the entire significance-sickness in nonpop has to do with the dearth of effective investment and imaginative marketing -- as well as, to some extent, the noose of intellectual property laws that strangles compositions that might use popular work as source material?

    As for marketing, I don't think my (our) ears are exceptions. My wife was a blues and rock listener before she met me. Yet she has developed not only a discernment but also a true enjoyment of new nonpop because of its presence in the home, and my own enthusiasm for it. My one-on-one marketing has expanded my friends' listening habits. Our tiny radio show has developed a local audience that faithfully listens every week -- an audience of largely 'naive' listeners that is very different from our much larger on-line listenership. Our local audiences *and* critics have grown into nonpop over the past decade in live concerts as well; Vermont is small, so change can be more easily effected, but after 15 years of our composers working together in promoting and marketing our work, nearly every Vermont nonpop ensemble includes new compositions in its concerts ... *and* an audience eager to hear them.

    Today, the larger consumer world doesn't really care about composers, doesn't know what they do for the most part (as in the term 'songs' in place of 'compositions' in almost every piece of commercial software), and, when nonpop rises at all above the horizon, it's limited to marketing of "The Most Beautiful Music in the World: 99 Classics to Go to Sleep By".

    Yet I truly believe that a marketing entrepreneur coupled with a group of serious investors could turn around the public attention, and that would reveal the occasional Big Ideas by sheer mass presence and subsequent mass filtering. A single movie turned enthusiastic public attention back to bluegrass. Yanni dragged the concerto soloist model into the pop world. Sir ALW has skirted the classical model and brought attention to a certain concert-ish sound through spectacle.

    I tried to get through to the Spectacle Man himself, Richard Branson. This little Q&A from 1998 is still valid today (though I'm more optimistic about the investment issue). An excerpt:

    ===

    What is this music?

    Once it was called 'classical' music, but that word doesn't fit now. For a while people tried adjectives like serious, avant-garde, concert or art music--a panoply of terms that tried to identify this music as different from entertainment music. Yes, this music is different because it asks the listener's intimate attention and involvement. You might say that entertainment music wears familiar clothes; this music--this art music--simply drops its clothes to the floor, inviting a longer look. It's quite a story. Let's talk about it.

    Who cares about this music?

    Few enough people, but that's because they don't know much about it. An entire generation--maybe two--simply got out of the habit of listening closely to music. Maybe the music wasn't listenable for a while. Maybe recordings overtook the concert hall. Maybe music became a commodity or a utility. The reasons aren't important, because listeners are ready to re-discover this music-without-a-name.

    With so many important causes, why should I care about this? For the same reasons people buy recordings or wear fashionable clothes or fly balloons--because, when the day is done, there's growth and good beyond raw survival. Perhaps, in a world of pain, all pleasure is indefensible. So ultimately, if you don't want to do this, nothing can justify it.

    What will I get out of it?

    This is not a financial investment. It's an open question whether you will reap a penny. History will hardly know you, any more than it remembers the Margrave of Brandenburg. But there will be Branson compositions and dedications and concerts and recordings. Something will be forever changed in the musical and cultural history of the world. But your own reward will be entirely personal.

    Isn't arts sponsorship the government's business?

    Hardly. Who knows why they continue funding the arts? Maybe it's a hand-me-down from royal patronage. Perhaps it insulates artists from a commercial world. But I believe--and have lived the belief--that individual risk sharpens appreciation for the imagination of art and music.

    But isn't it just charity anyway?

    No. Here's the difference. Society pays for what it values, or perceives to have value ... the basics, travel, entertainment, and even one-of-a-kind artwork by the Great Masters. By hiring living composers and paying for their products, you, Richard Branson, assign value--cash value--that others can wonder about, consider, and emulate. Don't call the awards or commissions or fellowships; call them the Branson Positions, where you hire composers as inventors of worthwhile products.

    What am I actually doing?

    Consider it R&D--I like the research and development analogy. To start, you'll hire 100 composers as 'creative developers' to work in an environment free from outside pressures, perhaps for two years. When they've completed their experimental designs, you'll bring the results in for engineering (rehearsals), improvement (revisions), beta-testing (concerts), and production. Then, with all your enthusiasm behind them, you'll market the products under your own New Virgins label and purchase time on concerts for their performance. Aside from the artistic integrity guaranteed the composers, it will partly be a commercial venture in the public's eyes. If orchestras and chamber groups play the music, they will receive payment, publicity, and your good graces; if they don't, they'll continue to beg for contributions to play more Mozart. Audiences will pack the halls for Branson Concerts.

    And then what?

    If you've done it up right, others less artistically aware will emulate you--the technological barons, the financiers, the Wall Street investors. Where millions went to purchase paintings of the Old Masters, millions will also go to create new musical masterpieces. You will have met the challenge

    ===

    Branson didn't answer, of course, but I thought it was worth posing the questions if only to frame them.

    There's also the intellectual property issue. With sourcing new tunes so legally complicated and often nasty, who will have the fortitude of a John Oswald? His Pluderphonics, of course, worked in the electronic medium that needed no skittish performer or performance organization base. A set of textural and tonal variations on, to use the current blog-mentioned pop diva, "Oops, I Did It Again" would be a legal navigation nightmare. And speaking of ALW and his hard lock on contracts, what sort of nightmare would result from using his tunes as source material?

    This is a major issue, especially considering that nonpop also forms the essential research & development system for the mass-audience arts.

    Nonpop by nature will never be popular in the same entertainment-based way as the pop tune, but that does not mean it should lack visibility. Again using a blog example, "Fahrenheit 9/11" transformed (for now) opinion of & attention to the documentary form.

    Somewhat as an aside about the local complaint in one comment: From reports I hear from hundreds of our guests, the local audiences are almost always enthusiastic -- outside the provincial cities such as New York, that is. This is personality at work, don't you think? A good marketing scheme to present nonpop composers as personalities is not a bad idea. (As you can guess, I think it's a great idea.)

    We're in a golden age of musical composition. Much as I prefer to think that the voices of nonpop art and music can be heard because of their sheer ability to inspire the imagination and participate in a community of cultural growth, I have concluded that the willingness to dismiss (or at least subjugate) all the mechanisms of public outreach -- marketing, IP, R&D investment -- means the Big Idea (or even the Little Ideas that I have dedicated my own life to in creating 650 compositions over 40 years) will rarely be felt in practice. And as I said to Branson, "individual risk sharpens appreciation for the imagination of art and music."

    It seems to me a critic's role might include addressing how nonpop has failed to come of age, not as an artform in its own time, but as a vital participant in contemporary enterprise.

    Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
    Composer
    Co-host Kalvos & Damian's New Music Bazaar (
    http://kalvos.org/)


    A Post-Literate Musical Future
    By John Halle
    posted @ August 2, 2004 9:12 am