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READER: The purpose of music
- Linda Rogers (August 6, 2004 10:46 am)

READER: Thank you to all
- Jennifer Higdon (August 6, 2004 10:10 am)

READER: To Corey Dargel and Kyle Gann
- Garth Trinkl (August 6, 2004 9:21 am)

READER: re:Where Are The Young Voices?
- Andrea La Rose (August 6, 2004 9:21 am)

READER: To Justin: Art can be entertaining, but it is not entertainment
- Arthur J. Sabatini (August 6, 2004 8:42 am)

Final Disinformation

- Kyle Gann (August 6, 2004 8:41 am)

READER: Where Are The Young Voices?
- Corey Dargel (August 6, 2004 8:21 am)

Over and out - an anti-rant rant
- Justin Davidson (August 6, 2004 7:05 am)

READER: Classical Music Doesn't Fit The PR Mold
- Dennis Bathory-Kitsz (August 5, 2004 9:21 pm)

READER: Eclecticism Is Better Anyway
- Hale Jacob (August 5, 2004 7:41 pm)

READER: What Is Live Performance, Anyway?
- Steve Layton (August 5, 2004 7:37 pm)

New music game theory
- Joshua Kosman (August 5, 2004 5:45 pm)

What I learned
- Scott Cantrell (August 5, 2004 5:15 pm)

A minor quibble
- Scott Cantrell (August 5, 2004 5:01 pm)

READER: Some Simple Gratitude
- Mark Stryker (August 5, 2004 4:07 pm)

READER: But What of the Squeakfartists?
- John Shaw (August 5, 2004 2:44 pm)

Late to the party
- Joshua Kosman (August 5, 2004 2:09 pm)

Farewell?
- John Rockwell (August 5, 2004 1:35 pm)

To Andrew
- Kyle Gann (August 5, 2004 12:50 pm)

READER: Who Said Anything About Pop Musicians?
- Garth Trinkl (August 5, 2004 11:47 am)

Some tail-end thoughts
- John von Rhein (August 5, 2004 10:34 am)

Reality Bites
- Andrew Druckenbrod (August 5, 2004 9:19 am)

READER: Gann's Got It Right
- Jan Herman (August 5, 2004 8:37 am)

Kyle to Kyle (or vice versa)
- Kyle Gann (August 5, 2004 8:37 am)

What does it all mean?
- Kyle MacMillan (August 5, 2004 8:11 am)

To Kyle Gann
- Kyle MacMillan (August 5, 2004 8:05 am)

READER: Big Ideas? How About Melody?
- John N. McBaine (August 5, 2004 7:25 am)

Leave No Term Unstoned
- Kyle Gann (August 5, 2004 7:04 am)

Baffled
- Greg Sandow (August 5, 2004 6:25 am)

Recessional
- Alex Ross (August 4, 2004 6:39 pm)

READER: so what's the big idea?
- John Shaw (August 4, 2004 4:28 pm)

For Joan La Barbara
- Alex Ross (August 4, 2004 3:12 pm)

READER: Point of Clarification
- Marc Geelhoed (August 4, 2004 2:43 pm)

READER: A Little of This, A Little of That
- B. Fleming (August 4, 2004 2:25 pm)

READER: Lists, Categories, & Big Ideas Miss The Point
- Joan La Barbara (August 4, 2004 2:12 pm)

READER: Education & Audience Engagement
- John Shaw (August 4, 2004 2:03 pm)

Challenges, if not ideas
- Scott Cantrell (August 4, 2004 12:54 pm)

To Anne, On Directors
- Alex Ross (August 4, 2004 12:07 pm)

To market, to market
- Anne Midgette (August 4, 2004 11:43 am)

Staging big ideas
- Anne Midgette (August 4, 2004 11:34 am)

Marketing madness
- Andrew Druckenbrod (August 4, 2004 11:32 am)

a few small ideas
- Anne Midgette (August 4, 2004 10:53 am)

Composers are the next big thing
- Andrew Druckenbrod (August 4, 2004 9:52 am)

READER: A Matter of Education
- Beata Moon (August 4, 2004 8:45 am)

READER: Back To Big Ideas
- Garth Trinkl (August 4, 2004 8:34 am)

To Justin
- Kyle Gann (August 4, 2004 7:32 am)

Attempt at an overview
- Alex Ross (August 4, 2004 7:30 am)

To Kyle
- Justin Davidson (August 4, 2004 7:21 am)

To Justin
- Kyle Gann (August 4, 2004 6:44 am)

READER: Another Composer's Viewpoint
- Beata Moon (August 4, 2004 6:42 am)

Downtown untouchables
- Justin Davidson (August 4, 2004 6:39 am)

Uptown and downtown have merged
- Kyle Gann (August 4, 2004 6:16 am)

Nothing to Do with Big Ideas

- Kyle Gann (August 4, 2004 5:57 am)

READER: Insulted Concert-goers
- Marc Geelhoed (August 4, 2004 12:40 am)

Frustration and obscurity
- Justin Davidson (August 3, 2004 8:54 pm)

READER: Critical Civility
- AC Douglas (August 3, 2004 7:16 pm)

READER: apologies
- John Shaw (August 3, 2004 7:15 pm)

READER: Mr. Context
- Arthur J. Sabatini (August 3, 2004 7:14 pm)

Shifting Ground
- John Rockwell (August 3, 2004 3:39 pm)

Let's cool it
- Scott Cantrell (August 3, 2004 3:06 pm)

READER: All-American Music
- John Shaw (August 3, 2004 2:45 pm)

READER: "Big Ideas" - Which Direction?
- Steve Layton (August 3, 2004 2:32 pm)

READER: Seeking Multiple Judgments
- Garth Trinkl (August 3, 2004 2:30 pm)

Metrocard
- John Rockwell (August 3, 2004 2:24 pm)

To Arthur Sabatini
- Alex Ross (August 3, 2004 1:39 pm)

Posting III. Music as personal insult
- Wynne Delacoma (August 3, 2004 12:33 pm)

READER: John Rockwell on Gann and Ross, and Greg, too
- Arthur J. Sabatini (August 3, 2004 10:10 am)

I Go Where the Money Rolls
- Kyle Gann (August 3, 2004 9:20 am)

To Justin: Good Idea
- Douglas McLennan (August 3, 2004 7:44 am)

The Weimar Identity
- Alex Ross (August 3, 2004 7:39 am)

READER: Glad to be that somebody
- David Carter (August 3, 2004 7:19 am)

READER: Big Idea? Not
- Nicholas Kenyon (August 3, 2004 7:18 am)

For Kyle, Doug and Alex
- John Rockwell (August 3, 2004 7:11 am)

Ideology and Idea
- Justin Davidson (August 3, 2004 6:33 am)

READER: Big Ideas... Who Needs Them?
- James Weaver (August 2, 2004 11:29 pm)

The Idea of No Idea
- Alex Ross (August 2, 2004 11:28 pm)

Way Beyond Crossover
- Kyle MacMillan (August 2, 2004 8:56 pm)

Improvisation -- for Tom
- Greg Sandow (August 2, 2004 8:38 pm)

READER: To Greg, Justin: Hermetic Music
- Tom Hamilton (August 2, 2004 7:32 pm)

No Apocalpse Now
- Douglas McLennan (August 2, 2004 6:06 pm)

READER: A Problem of Marketing
- Corey Dargel (August 2, 2004 5:59 pm)

READER: Of Sheep Heads and Music
- P. Bailey (August 2, 2004 5:56 pm)

READER: Re Kyle's Listening Examples...
- Steve Layton (August 2, 2004 9:53 am)

READER: Marketing anyone?
- Dennis Bathory-Kitsz (August 2, 2004 9:35 am)

READER: A Post-Literate Musical Future
- John Halle (August 2, 2004 9:31 am)

Thanks, Kyle
- Justin Davidson (August 2, 2004 7:54 am)

Listening Examples Provided

- Kyle Gann (August 2, 2004 7:45 am)

proposal
- Justin Davidson (August 2, 2004 4:35 am)

READER: Follow the Architecture
- Garth Trinkl (August 1, 2004 2:30 pm)

READER: How Do Ideas Get Big?
- Arthur J. Sabatini (August 1, 2004 2:28 pm)

Reply to Kyle, and a plea
- John Rockwell (August 1, 2004 1:34 pm)

READER: The Next Big Idea
- John Heins (August 1, 2004 1:11 pm)

READER: Of Social Complexity And Other "High" Arts
- John Shaw (August 1, 2004 8:45 am)

READER: Two Important Threads
- Jonathan Gresl (July 31, 2004 6:01 pm)

READER: Why is it "Classical?"
- Sophia Loke (July 31, 2004 6:00 pm)

To Justin: Hermetic music
- Greg Sandow (July 31, 2004 4:47 pm)

READER: A Still More Disturbing Question
- Brian Newhouse (July 30, 2004 7:28 pm)

Queries for John Rockwell
- Kyle Gann (July 30, 2004 4:18 pm)

Jotting IV: Grab bag
- Charles Ward (July 30, 2004 3:55 pm)

Performance ideas
- Greg Sandow (July 30, 2004 2:39 pm)

Unfair on my Part
- Kyle Gann (July 30, 2004 2:33 pm)

Posting II. Composer bashing, female critics, form and content
- Wynne Delacoma (July 30, 2004 1:57 pm)

What's success?
- Scott Cantrell (July 30, 2004 1:04 pm)

arrgh, or however you spell it
- John Rockwell (July 30, 2004 12:16 pm)

Clarifcation, Departure
- Alex Ross (July 30, 2004 11:49 am)

READER: Wow!
- Jan Herman (July 30, 2004 11:24 am)

Fighting Words with Words
- Kyle Gann (July 30, 2004 11:18 am)

READER: Quit Complaining, Start Writing
- Marc Geelhoed (July 30, 2004 10:59 am)

READER: Defending Kyle
- John Shaw (July 30, 2004 10:54 am)

READER:Un-Self-Consciousness In Seattle
- Gavin Borchert (July 30, 2004 10:51 am)

The New New Thing
- Alex Ross (July 30, 2004 9:42 am)

READER: Kyle, I Hear You
- John Shaw (July 30, 2004 9:23 am)

What's the Big Idea?
- Anne Midgette (July 30, 2004 8:32 am)

To Kyle, and Richard Einhorn
- Justin Davidson (July 30, 2004 7:47 am)

READER: Money Vs. "Music That Matters"
- Richar Einhorn (July 30, 2004 7:47 am)

READER: Flogging For Novelty?
- Joanne Forman (July 30, 2004 7:45 am)

Composer Bashing
- Kyle Gann (July 30, 2004 7:40 am)

READER: Jazz - MIA?
- George Hunka (July 30, 2004 7:25 am)

Who's saying Give Up?
- Justin Davidson (July 30, 2004 7:02 am)

Inside a Big Idea

- Kyle Gann (July 30, 2004 6:54 am)

Some things are new, actually.
- Justin Davidson (July 30, 2004 5:56 am)

READER: Pop is Not Off-Topic
- John Shaw (July 30, 2004 12:29 am)

READER: Time is not of the Essence
- Tom Myron (July 30, 2004 12:13 am)

Provocation!
- Alex Ross (July 29, 2004 10:42 pm)

Jotting III: When John Rockwell took a coalition of the willing to a downtown club, or, will critics ever shed the need to be tragically hip.
- Charles Ward (July 29, 2004 9:27 pm)

READER: Is Hip-Hop The Big Idea?
- Tim Rutherford-Johnson (July 29, 2004 7:07 pm)

Pop music precedent
- Scott Cantrell (July 29, 2004 3:09 pm)

READER: Not One Line In The Sand
- Molly Sheridan (July 29, 2004 3:02 pm)

To: AC Douglas
- Alex Ross (July 29, 2004 3:01 pm)

A few responses to other postings
- Anne Midgette (July 29, 2004 2:57 pm)

Back to fragmentation for a minute
- Anne Midgette (July 29, 2004 2:27 pm)

READER: Waiting For Godot
- Colin Eatock (July 29, 2004 1:48 pm)

READER: No More Historical Progress
- Richard Einhorn (July 29, 2004 1:44 pm)

READER: Pop Innovation (Alex Ross)
- Jeff H. (July 29, 2004 1:24 pm)

the magpie
- John Rockwell (July 29, 2004 1:10 pm)

Beyond categories?
- Alex Ross (July 29, 2004 1:00 pm)

Composers are composers, but distinctions are still worthwhile
- Andrew Druckenbrod (July 29, 2004 12:47 pm)

High/Low Redux
- Justin Davidson (July 29, 2004 12:42 pm)

Multiculturalism
- Scott Cantrell (July 29, 2004 12:31 pm)

Fragmentation
- Scott Cantrell (July 29, 2004 12:01 pm)

Reader Intervention: A Musicologist Crashes The Party!
- Robert Fink (July 29, 2004 11:26 am)

READER: Classically Not Pop
- AC Douglas (July 29, 2004 10:49 am)

Female critics
- Scott Cantrell (July 29, 2004 10:28 am)

Pop Innovation
- Alex Ross (July 29, 2004 10:07 am)

No apology to pop and film
- Andrew Druckenbrod (July 29, 2004 9:26 am)

Gender footnote
- Anne Midgette (July 29, 2004 9:07 am)

Another preamble
- Anne Midgette (July 29, 2004 7:50 am)

READER: If Wishes Were Ideas
- John Harris (July 29, 2004 7:11 am)

pop envy
- Justin Davidson (July 29, 2004 6:11 am)

Jotting II: Personally, Id rather not get a telephone call from Stalin.
- Charles Ward (July 28, 2004 9:24 pm)

A Potential Goldmine?
- Alex Ross (July 28, 2004 7:57 pm)

right on!
- John Rockwell (July 28, 2004 7:16 pm)

READER: What Do The Critics Want?
- John Shaw (July 28, 2004 7:03 pm)

Truly big classical ideas
- Greg Sandow (July 28, 2004 6:09 pm)

Where was THAT in classical music?
- Justin Davidson (July 28, 2004 5:59 pm)

Another view
- Greg Sandow (July 28, 2004 4:02 pm)

Names and their Inadequacy
- Kyle Gann (July 28, 2004 3:58 pm)

Movements and media
- Scott Cantrell (July 28, 2004 3:42 pm)

Initial posting. Big Ideas--Who Needs Them?
- Wynne Delacoma (July 28, 2004 3:22 pm)

Brahms and Wagner
- John Rockwell (July 28, 2004 1:34 pm)

READER: Ideas From Critics?
- Jan Herman (July 28, 2004 1:14 pm)

READER: Where's Music's Toni Morrison?
- Gary Panetta (July 28, 2004 1:11 pm)

To John Rockwell: Styles, Not Politics
- Alex Ross (July 28, 2004 8:20 am)

The Idea and its Conditions
- Kyle Gann (July 28, 2004 7:49 am)

Question for Kyle
- John Rockwell (July 28, 2004 7:20 am)

The Next Medium-Sized Idea
- Kyle Gann (July 28, 2004 6:39 am)

Apology & comment
- Justin Davidson (July 28, 2004 5:29 am)

To Alex and Justin; the pedant at work
- John Rockwell (July 28, 2004 3:45 am)

Listening for Passionate Engagement
- Alex Ross (July 28, 2004 2:41 am)

READER: Where Are The Women?
- Virginie Foucault (July 27, 2004 6:50 pm)

Jotting I: We do have a Big Idea
- Charles Ward (July 27, 2004 4:48 pm)

How big is a big idea?
- Justin Davidson (July 27, 2004 4:37 pm)

Initial entry
- John Rockwell (July 27, 2004 4:31 pm)

A blurry patchwork
- Scott Cantrell (July 27, 2004 3:42 pm)

Alternate Universe
- Kyle Gann (July 27, 2004 2:59 pm)

Taking Issue With The Question
- Andrew Druckenbrod (July 27, 2004 2:53 pm)

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THE QUESTION BEFORE US
If the history of music is the recorded conversation of ideas, then where do we find ourselves in that conversation at the start of the 21st Century? In the past, musical ideas have been fought over, affirmed then challenged again, with each generation adding something new. Ultimately consensus was achieved around an idea, and that idea gained traction with a critical mass of composers.

Now we are in a period when no particular musical idea seems to represent our age, and it appears that for the moment at least on the surface that there is no obvious direction music is going. So the question is: what is the next chapter in the historical conversation of musical ideas, and where are the seeds of those ideas planted?

Or: Is it possible that, with traditional cultural structures fragmenting, and the ways people are getting and using culture fundamentally changing, that it is no longer possible for a unifying style to emerge? Is it still possible for a Big Idea to attain the kind of traction needed to energize and acquire a critical mass of composers and performers?
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MOST RECENT POSTS

READER: The purpose of music
- Linda Rogers (08/06/2004 10:46 am)

READER: Thank you to all
- Jennifer Higdon (08/06/2004 10:10 am)

READER: To Corey Dargel and Kyle Gann
- Garth Trinkl (08/06/2004 9:21 am)

READER: re:Where Are The Young Voices?
- Andrea La Rose (08/06/2004 9:21 am)

READER: To Justin: Art can be entertaining, but it is not entertainment
- Arthur J. Sabatini (08/06/2004 8:42 am)

Final Disinformation

- Kyle Gann (08/06/2004 8:41 am)

READER: Where Are The Young Voices?
- Corey Dargel (08/06/2004 8:21 am)

Over and out - an anti-rant rant
- Justin Davidson (08/06/2004 7:05 am)

READER: Classical Music Doesn't Fit The PR Mold
- Dennis Bathory-Kitsz (08/05/2004 9:21 pm)

READER: Eclecticism Is Better Anyway
- Hale Jacob (08/05/2004 7:41 pm)


THE MUSIC CRITICS

Greg Sandow
  The Wall Street Journal
 - To Justin: Hermetic
    Music

 - Performance ideas
 - Truly big classical
    ideas

 -
Another view

Wynne Delacoma
  Chicago Sun-Times
 - Composer bashing, female
    critics, form and content
 - Big Ideas--Who Needs Them?


Alex Ross
  The New Yorker
 - Clarification, Departure
 - The New New Thing
 - Provocation!
 - To AC Douglas
 - Pop Innovation
 -
A Potential Goldmine
 - To Rockwell: Styles, Not
     Politics

 - Listening for Passionate
     Engagement


Kyle Gann
  Village Voice
 - Listening examples provided
 - Queries for John Rockwell
 - Unfair on my part
 - Composer bashing
 - Inside a big idea
 - Names & Their Inadequacies
 - The Idea & Its Conditions
 -
The Next Medium-Sized Idea
 - Alternate Universe

Justin Davidson
  Newsday
 - Thanks, Kyle
 - proposal
 - To Kyle
 - Who's saying give up?
 - Some Things Are New, Actually
 - High/Low Redux
 - pop envy
 -
Where was THAT in Classical
    Music?

 - Apology & Comment
 - How Big is a Big Idea?

John Rockwell
  The New York Times
 - Reply to Kyle and a Plea
 - Arghhh, or however you
    spell it
 - The Magpie
 - Brahms and Wagner
 -
Question for Kyle
 - To Alex, Justin: the pedant
    at work

 - Initial Entry

Scott Cantrell
  Dallas Morning News
 - What's success?
 - Pop music precendent
 - Multiculturalism
 - Fragmentation
 - Female Critics
 - Movements & Media
 -
A Blurry Patchwork

Charles Ward
  Houston Chronicle
 - Jotting IV: Grab Bag
 - Jotting III: When John
    Rockwell...
 - Jotting II: I'd Rather Not Get
    A Call From Stalin

 -
Jotting I: We Do Have A Big
    Idea


Anne Midgette
  The New York Times
 - What's the big idea?
 - A Few Responses To
    Other Postings
 - Back to Fragmentation
    for a Minute

 - Gender footnote
 - Another preamble


Andrew Druckenbrod
  Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
 - Composers are Composers
    but Distinctions are
    Worthwhile
 - No apology to pop and
    film

 - Taking Issue With The
    Question


John von Rhein
  Chicago Tribune


Kyle MacMillan
  Denver Post


Joshua Kosman
  San Francisco Chronicle


FROM READERS

The Purpose of Music
- Linda Rogers (08/06/2004 10:46 am)

Thank you to all
- Jennifer Higdon (08/06/2004 10:10 am)

To Corey Dargel and Kyle Gann
- Garth Trinkl (08/06/2004 10:00 am)

re: Where Are The Young Voices?
- Andrea La Rose (08/06/2004 9:21 am)

To Justin: Art can be entertaining, but it is notentertainment
- Arthur J. Sabatini (08/06/2004 8:42 am)

Where Are The Young Voices?
- Corey Dargel (08/06/2004 8:20 am)

Summing Up
- Brian Newhouse (08/05/2004 9:26 pm)

Classical Music Doesn't Fit The PR Mold
- Dennis Bathory-Kitsz (08/05/2004 9:18 pm)

Eclecticism Is Better Anyway
- Hale Jacob (08/05/2004 7:40 pm)

What Is Live Performance, Anyway?
- Steve Layton (08/05/2004 7:34 pm)

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