
(Indiana University Bloomington, Kelley School of Business (left) and O’Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs (right)).
At her blog Arts Analytics, Joanna Woronkowicz has written a post – reposted to a wide audience at artsjournal.com – trying to answer the two questions in the title of this post, with the heading (which I don’t fully understand) “Stop teaching arts administrators to run organizations.”
Some background: in the United States, Arts Administration is often taught at the Masters degree level, with many of the students coming from an undergraduate degree in some genre of the arts. These are students who would like to keep working in the art world but who don’t see themselves making a career out of being an artist. These are wonderful students, and I always welcome an invitation to visit a class.
The degrees are quick and practical – the basics of financial management, relevant aspects of the law, organizational behaviour and the ABC’s of good management, fund raising, and marketing and audience development, all with applications to the arts, but drawing upon other relevant sectors as well. It is not a route to a doctoral degree.
Joanna’s post is about what she sees as related questions: the inside-baseball question of where in a university such a Masters program ought to be housed, and the bigger and more general question of how it should be taught, with a specific focus on the patron-facing subjects of fund raising, marketing, and audience development.
I disagree with her take on this, but I will give the reader fair notice: before I retired, Joanna was a colleague, even a singing partner, of mine, and so this should be read as a disagreement between friends.
In the US, graduate programs in Arts Admin are located in different parts of different universities, typically on the basis of the home of the individual faculty member who in days of yore thought it would be a nice idea to create such a program. And so they are in schools of public affairs (Carnegie-Mellon), business (Wisconsin), education (Columbia), music (Florida State), media arts and design (Drexel), and so on. The program Joanna and I taught in, at Indiana University, began in the business school, then moved to the music school, then moved to the school of public and environmental affairs, according to who was willing to take it on.
I don’t think it makes much difference to the nature of the program. Graduate degrees in Arts Admin are very similar across schools, for all the usual institutional isomorphism reasons – faculty are similar in interests and outlook, serve as external reviewers over each other’s programs and, when there is an application for a promotion, individual faculty. Employers have certain expectations of a job applicant who says they have an MA in Arts Admin, regardless of where it is from. To try to discern differences based on college home is to engage in the narcissism of very small differences.
But Joanna, who is currently visiting a business school, thinks otherwise:
I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how we train arts administrators, and being around a business school this year has pushed that thinking in directions I didn’t expect. It’s made me realize that many of the problems we face in the arts aren’t really about funding structures or demographics or leadership pipelines, but about something much more foundational: the perspective we start from. So much of the sector’s instability stems from approaching our work from the standpoint of supply—assuming the art, the institution, the season, the budget, the mission are all inherently meaningful—and then teaching people how to operate that system. We pass along the belief that the organization is the anchor and that the public’s role is to be convinced, educated, persuaded, marketed to.
Spending time in a business school has made that contrast feel sharper than ever. Everything in a b-school is oriented around demand. What do people want? How do we know? How intense is that desire? How do you validate it? How do you respond to it or build around it? Entire courses are built on the premise that you don’t create a plan until you’re sure there’s an appetite for what you’re doing—or until you have a reliable strategy for cultivating one. It’s not that business schools have all the answers; they certainly don’t. But they model a worldview that is almost completely absent in most arts administration programs: the idea that an organization does not deserve to exist simply because someone believes in it. Demand—not intention—grounds the work.
This has made me rethink the usual conversations about where arts administration programs should live. People often say public affairs schools make sense because they focus on nonprofits, civic responsibility, and public value. On paper, that alignment looks neat. But public affairs programs are designed for institutions that already have a recognized public mandate. Their students learn to steward systems that society has already agreed are necessary. Arts organizations almost never start that way. They begin as creative visions that no one has asked for. Their public value isn’t pre-established; it’s fragile, aspirational, in need of cultivation. Public affairs schools don’t really teach how to build a constituency from scratch, how to make someone care who didn’t care before.
Others argue that arts administration belongs in arts schools. And there is a certain comfort in proximity—being close to the artistic process, immersed in creativity, surrounded by working artists. But arts schools, almost by definition, assume the centrality of the art itself. They reinforce the idea that the work is intrinsically valuable and that the public simply needs help recognizing that value. This is one of the most persistent and damaging assumptions in our field. It sounds benign, even noble, but it is still supply thinking. The art exists; therefore the public should care. And when they don’t, we treat it as a communication problem rather than a relevance problem.
Once you see the supply mindset, it shows up everywhere. It shows up in programming decisions rooted in tradition rather than curiosity. It shows up in marketing strategies that start with “How do we sell this?” rather than “Why would anyone want this?” It shows up in fundraising pitches that depend on the belief that donors should care because the organization is “important.” It shows up in conversations about audience development that treat participation as something people must be ushered into, not something that emerges from genuine desire or connection.
This is really an overreach into finding significant differences in what I can only call the vibe of different schools. But it doesn’t hold up.
Every existing business, every potential entrepreneurial undertaking, has some aspect of what she calls the “supply” side, and what the firm believes is its value. If I come to inherit an apple orchard, and want to make a go of it, it will only work if I have some sort of conviction that my apples are healthy and tasty, that I will be a reliable and valued wholesaler, that my orchard is a pleasant place for people to visit on a late summer afternoon to buy apples and try some cider and walk around a bit. I don’t know if that counts as a claim that my apples are “inherently” good (I’m not sure what that would mean), but I have to have some kind of passion for being an apple supplier.
In terms of the b-school questions about what customers really want, sure: I will keep an eye on what varieties are most popular, whether making cider is worth the effort or if people around here aren’t that interested, what sort of opening hours are most convenient for people, what activities would be most valued if we offered them to visitors. The “demand” side matters, obviously. But what I do – grow apples – my core business,1 is set. I’m not going to be asking whether my customers would prefer that I ran a barber shop, or a deli, or a tax preparation service. I have an orchard, and that is what I do.
And the same holds true with the arts. An orchestra is a collection of individuals with specific talents, with a consistent personnel and structure, that is designed to perform orchestral music. That is its “supply.” There are people, most people in fact, who like other genres of music, for whom orchestral music is not their thing, nor is it going to be. But for the orchestra to stick to their genre – music written for orchestras – is not to say that there is some magical inherent value to it, or a “public mandate,” or that it has an inordinate focus on “supply.” It’s just what orchestras do. And art museums do what art museums do, and ballet companies do what ballet companies do and on and on (and, speaking as a customer, I’m glad). There’s nothing odd about this, in the same way that it is not odd that an apple grower focuses on apples, and an automobile maintenance shop focuses on cars.
And nobody neglects “demand.” Orchestra managers spend huge amounts of time trying to figure out: is this a schedule that works for people? What sort of pops concerts are most popular? Do guest artists matter a lot, or do the works chosen matter more? Should we try playing in different venues? Earlier in the evening? What pricing structure for season tickets and individual concerts and scaling the hall seem to work best? (I wrote a book on arts pricing, for use in our public-affairs-school domiciled Arts Admin program, on which I would spend a few weeks each year, and it is entirely about demand, with not a word on “intrinsic values”).
And every Arts Admin program teaches these things. Joanna and I both taught the arts marketing and audience development classes at IU, and our syllabi were packed with papers and discussion on what we know about trends in arts participation and demand, how to do a proper audience (existing and potential) survey, how best to use various media to reach people, and all that. The same holds for people working in fund raising, or in entrepreneurship (which I also used to teach). To suggest that Arts Admin as taught in public affairs schools or arts schools don’t think about these demand side questions is just incorrect.
Joanna presents two false dilemmas: where should graduate programs in Arts Admin be housed, and whether the focus is best placed on the “supply” side rather than the “demand” side.
On the first question, she does a surprising backtrack at the end of the post: “When I think about the future of arts administration, I’m increasingly convinced that its academic home is much less important than its intellectual orientation.” Okay then.
But on the second question she is imagining a divide in “intellectual orientation” that I have never seen in my couple of decades teaching this stuff, and getting to know other Arts Admin faculty, who teach in business schools, public affairs schools, and art schools. Arts organizations exist, and they are focused on a “supply” of something they think worthwhile, but are necessarily always thinking about what their patrons are looking for, how that might be shifting, whether something has been overlooked, what connections people are hoping for in the world – the “demand” side. This is not really different from other businesses, and holds true for those wanting to start a new business as well.
Arts Admin programs can always do with the occasional rethink – at IU we often adjusted course structure and topics within courses to ensure we were keeping up with what was happening in the art world. But we weren’t naive, and I never saw my faculty colleagues or our students putting capital A art on some sort of pedestal.
Cross posted at https://michaelrushton.substack.com/

I wondered what you thought about Joanna’s post, Michael. Thank you for sharing your perspective. But your statement, “It is not a route to a doctoral degree,” feels inaccurate, especially for those of us who took exactly that route in our educational journeys from the MA in Arts Administration.
More importantly, the nugget that most stood out for me was, “I believe that the real work of arts administration has very little to do with running an organization for its own sake. The real work is about understanding how cultural desire is formed. How people come to care about something. How a community begins to see a particular artistic experience as relevant or resonant or worth their time. How you build engagement not by insisting on the importance of the art, but by creating encounters that make its importance felt.” I agree with Joanna here. Too many cultural organizations have done such a good job excluding most of the public that it makes Reason #2, The NEA is Welfare for Cultural Elitists, of the Heritage Foundation’s (1997) Ten Good Reasons to Eliminate Funding for the National Endowment for the Arts ring uncomfortably true. In fact, some cultural organizations should probably incorporate as social clubs or 501(c)(7) and not charities or 501(c)(3), but they want the tax exemptions and tax deductions for their corporate, foundation, and individual donors. There is nothing wrong with pursuing artistic excellence, earned revenue, ticket sales, and/or serving donors, but none of these outcomes are tax exempt purposes. Until the nonprofit creative sector commits to achieving its charitable and educational tax exempt purposes, I’m afraid that we will squander opportunities to build connection and relevance, going blindly into irrelevance. In the age of AI, more than anything, we (including the poor, distressed, and underprivileged) need reminding of what it means to be human, less we forget.
Thank you antonio. Yes, some Arts Admin masters do go on to get a PhD, but in my experience it is rare, and the PhD is often in a different field. I taught a few hundred Masters students at IU, and the number who went on to complete doctorate is, I believe, in the single digits.
We will have to agree to disagree on 501(c)(3) status: the courts have been clear on the standing of an organization focusing entirely on its art, and I am not against that. There are very elite nonprofit arts institutions that make the headlines, but most art in the US is not like that – rather, nonprofit arts is mostly local and affordable.
From the Internal Revenue Code, section 501(c)3 :
“The exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3) are charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fostering national or international amateur sports competition, and preventing cruelty to children or animals. The term charitable is used in its generally accepted legal sense and includes relief of the poor, the distressed, or the underprivileged; advancement of religion; advancement of education or science; erecting or maintaining public buildings, monuments, or works; lessening the burdens of government; lessening neighborhood tensions; eliminating prejudice and discrimination; defending human and civil rights secured by law; and combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency.”
Artistic excellence IS a “literary” purpose. When teaching others to create artistically excellent work, that is an “educational” purpose. For these reasons, artistic creation and arts education can absolutely be exempt purposes on their own terms. However, what they aren’t, always, is also “charitable.”
It irritates all the free-market, arts-should-be-a-for-profit business people that people creating art for art’s sake can get tax breaks. It irritates all the arts-must-serve-every-community-member people that artists don’t, according to our tax code, actually have to solve or even address anyone’s social services problems to qualify as tax-exempt. But it’s precisely because a lot of art for art’s sake is never going to be mass-market profitable that such art is eligible for donations and grants. And artistic production will never house the homeless or feed the hungry on its own. (Of course, artists and arts organizations can run programs to help do those things, but that is social services work, not artistic work.)
Our academic sector has largely given up on clearly defining literary merit, ever since postmodernism. That doesn’t mean the arts no longer have any literary merit. It means we’ve been irresponsible as an academic and public-intellectual community about deciding which works are meritorious, and which works aren’t. We’ve instilled such a fear of being “exclusionary” throughout the last two generations of artists and administrators, that it’s resulted in a lack of serious critical and academic conversation about which works deserve widespread attention. A lot of theatrical work is not good enough to merit the investment of full production, regardless of the demographic of artist who created it. Rather than talking about demand, we should be talking about the quality of what’s being supplied.
One of the reasons I have opposed guaranteed-income-for-artists programs is that they represent simply throwing in the towel when it comes to making judgments about artistic quality when it comes to devoting public funding to the arts.
On the 501(c)(3) question, American courts have firmly established that presenting arts counts as literary, and your nonprofit theatre company need not double as a social service agency to be eligible for nonprofit status, and I think that is a good thing (I know there are people who quite emphatically disagree with me on this). Arts presenters can do valuable things that only they can do.
Which American courts and cases? I’d appreciate learning for my own edification. And as the current legal apparatus in the U. S. continues to show, too often the courts get it wrong. After all, the law is only a product of imperfect human cognition, no?
Alas, the courts and the IRS appear in conflict. According to the IRS (2025)’ Audit Technique Guide for Educational Organizations Other than Schools, it states, “Among the activities of an educational organization, you may come across: Museums, zoos, planetariums, symphony orchestras and other arts organizations.” Supporting my point that non-literary cultural organizations incorporate for educational tax exempt purposes, not literary tax exempt purposes. Furthermore, it states, “During an audit, maintain a position of disinterested neutrality on an organization’s advocated beliefs. Don’t judge the merits of an organization’s educational or artistic efforts. Instead, focus on whether the organization carries out its purposes in an educational or charitable manner.” “Remain professional and objective at all times and ensure that your personal beliefs or opinions on the educational or artistic merit of an organization’s activities don’t influence the audit in any way.” Again, artistic excellence is not a tax exempt purpose, at least to the IRS.
Lastly, the problem with artistic excellence is that no one knows what it really means. And the creative sector has used it to perpetuate a white, classist, patriarchal, heteronormative, abelist, and adultist false hierarchical view on what of humanity’s creativity is deserving and valuable. Keeping in mind that no one wants crappy art. What you enjoy and what I enjoy artistically may differ, and that’s ok. I enjoyed Beyoncé’s Cowboy Carter, mostly for its reclamation of its Black originators musical genius, but some people hated the album for that very same reason. But, whom should get to determine the aesthetic values of the U. S. public, and why? Furthermore, why should the public fund exclusionary artists and cultural organizations through an elaborate labyrinth of direct and indirect funding, especially when most cultural organizations have not even bothered to valuate tax exemptions and tax deductions for themselves? Finally, when the Heritage Foundation or Federalist Society, 501(c)(3) nonprofits, can influence policy better than lobbyists and politicians, is it not clear that the U. S.’ tax-subsidized charitable sector is in trouble? What will it continue to mean for arts, culture, and most importantly, creative justice?
Reference
IRS. (2025). Audit Technique Guide – Educational Organizations Other than Schools. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/atg_educ_orgs_other_than_schools.pdf
Here is a link to the piece I wrote on the tax code: https://www.artsjournal.com/worth/2023/07/producing-and-exhibiting-arts-as-a-nonprofit-entity-is-a-qualified-tax-exempt-activity/
I know this is an ongoing debate in arts policy, some taking it to a fanatical degree, but I just don’t see the point in it. Nonprofit arts presenters are tax exempt, and it seems wasted effort to focus upon this. The IRS will not change its mind.
If someone wants to make a *moral* case that arts presenters should act more like social services agencies, I suppose that is at least an avenue for discussion. I don’t think they should though – my fullest statement of this is my chapter in the book Innovating Institutions and Inequities in the Arts, in which you also contribute a chapter.
Finally, on excellence: if there is going to be public funding for the arts at all, it has to be for a reason. And some artists and some works are going to be better at serving that reason than others. People can disagree on what the “reason” ought to be, and they can disagree on which art best serves it, but a choice has to be made *somehow*. We can’t fund everything, and selecting self-declared artists by lottery is a cop out.
Interesting discussion. No matter what school or what intellectual focus, the reality is that arts administration programs are in so many schools due to the academic politics and clout of the people running, funding and navigating them.
Thank you Joan. Maybe in some cases – but often I think it is just something decided in a distant past for reasons that might no longer be relevant, but that once set, it is just not very easy to move. At IU our program has shifted between schools, but that was only in an era when there were no permanent faculty tied to the program. But once you have hired people on a tenure-line basis, it’s rather stuck in place.