{"id":2581,"date":"2023-04-30T22:07:08","date_gmt":"2023-05-01T02:07:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/?p=2581"},"modified":"2023-04-30T22:07:11","modified_gmt":"2023-05-01T02:07:11","slug":"mahler-vs-anton-seidl-all-the-things-that-mahler-wasnt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/2023\/04\/mahler-vs-anton-seidl-all-the-things-that-mahler-wasnt.html","title":{"rendered":"Mahler vs. Anton Seidl &#8212; &#8220;All the Things that Mahler Wasn&#8217;t&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-9.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-9.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2590\" width=\"241\" height=\"362\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-9.png 431w, https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-9-200x300.png 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 241px) 100vw, 241px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-10.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-10.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2592\" width=\"274\" height=\"357\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yesterday \u2013 the publication date for my novel\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.blackwaterpress.com\/product\/the-marriage\/\"><strong><em>The Marriage: The Mahlers in New York<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0<\/a>\u2013 I had an enthralling video exchange with Morten Solvik of the Mahler Foundation in Vienna. You can see it\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=zHLD42s1gkc\"><strong>here<\/strong>.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Some highlights:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>3:24 \u2013 \u201cYou can\u2019t understand the story of Mahler in New York without first understanding what went on there before he arrived \u2013 something Mahler himself never understood. And this was noted and resented. . .&nbsp;&nbsp;When Henry Krehbiel called Mahler\u2019s American career a \u2018failure,\u2019 this was a comprehensible verdict.\u201d&nbsp;&nbsp;Mahler\u2019s New York predecessor Anton Seidl \u2013 who makes Krehbiel\u2019s verdict comprehensible \u2013 \u201cwas all the things that Mahler wasn\u2019t\u201d: an American citizen who summered in the Catskills, who befriended the American composer, who assumed a mantle of cultural leadership.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>6:18 \u2013 Henry-Louis de La Grange, Mahler\u2019s most prominent, most copious biographer, came to graciously understand Seidl\u2019s significance\u00a0\u00a0&#8212; \u201cI took him aside and told him about Seidl. But he could never overcome his antipathy to Henry Krehbiel.\u201d The New York music critics, generally, were far more sagacious than de La Grange allowed. \u201cTheir reviews of Mahler the conductor retain credibility.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>9:25 \u2013 Re: historical fiction: my first experiment was in my young readers\u2019 book\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Dvorak-America-Joseph-Horowitz\/dp\/B009NFZJC2\"><strong><em>Dvorak in<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0<strong><em>America<\/em><\/strong><\/a>\u00a0(2003). \u201cI had acquired a very intimate relationship with Seidl\u201d via the un-catalogued archives at Columbia University and the Brooklyn Historical Society , handling his letters, his memorabilia, even speeches written in pencil. \u201cIt was a bewitching experience.\u201d Evoking Seidl conversing with Dvorak at Fleischmann\u2019s Cafe, \u201cI actually knew what he would say.\u201d I discovered that \u201cI could learn things writing historical fiction, that it\u2019s a very special tool for the cultural historian. . . . In some ways\u00a0<em>The Marriage<\/em>\u00a0is more like \u2018creative non-fiction.\u2019 It hews closely to events that actually occurred.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>10:07 \u2013 \u201cMy fundamental sense of Mahler is of someone who lives inside his head. There\u2019s nothing wrong with that if you\u2019re a composer \u2013 but it\u2019s not so great if you\u2019re the music director of an orchestra.\u201d Dvorak, in comparison, at all times absorbed his environment; it was \u201cinevitable that he would write a New World symphony \u2013 and inconceivable that Mahler would do so. . . . He never researched American music. it was obvious that he hadn\u2019t done his homework.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>18:00 \u2013 Mahler at the Met: his innovations \u2013 importing Alfred Roller\u2019s&nbsp;<em>Fidelio<\/em>&nbsp;production, treating Mozart as ensemble opera \u2013 were \u201cstriking, new, and successful \u2013 but ephemeral.\u201d \u201cThey didn\u2019t take.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>25:00 \u2013 The Mahler sonority: \u201ceverything in your face, a flat perspective like a Klimt canvas, a new conception of symphonic sound.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>30:00 \u2013 \u201cPeople who write about Mahler in New York only see what happened just before he came \u2013 a period of institutional decline. . . . This is so poorly done.\u201d Also: virtually unnoticed is that Mahler never complained at about his orchestra at the Metropolitan Opera \u2013 \u201cand that was the New York orchestra that most mattered, not the New York Philharmonic.\u201d Also unnoticed: New York City was regularly visited by the Boston Symphony Orchestra conducted by Arthur Nikisch. \u201cThat\u2019s a really high standard.\u201d A crucial factor was Henry Higginson, \u201ca mind-boggling figure\u201d who invented, owned, and operated the Boston Symphony. \u201cYou spend some time with Higginson \u2013 it\u2019s just humbling. . . . It\u2019s something that\u2019s unheard of today \u2013 a person of this stature running an orchestra.\u201d Compared to the New York Philharmonic\u2019s Mary Sheldon \u2013 \u201cnight and day.\u201d And Seidl, too, had a Higginson. This was Laura Langford, Brooklyn\u2019s leading impresario. \u201cSomething Mahler never had.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>42:00 \u2013 Henry Krehbiel \u2013 \u201cthe elephant in the room,\u201d \u201cthe greatest figure in the history of American musical journalism.\u201d \u201cYou can\u2019t know Mahler in New York without knowing Henry Krehbiel \u2013 and Mahler\u2019s biographers don\u2019t know Henry Krehbiel.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>49:00 \u2013 \u201cAlma [Mahler] is someone who doesn\u2019t really know who she is or what she wants.\u201d In a new environment, unlike her husband [in his hotel room], she\u2019s \u201cexploratory.\u201d She reveals herself \u201cin juxtaposition with women more professionally accomplished than herself . . . when situated in a room with Olive Fremstad or Natalie Curtis.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:05 \u2013 Snapshots: Mahler vs. Toscanini; Mahler and Ives<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Anton Seidl is the core topic of my book &#8220;<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/josephhorowitz.com\/content.asp?elemento_id=16\">Wagner Nights: An American History<\/a><\/strong>&#8221; (1995).<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>My thanks to Morten Solvik, Thomas Hampson, and the Mahler Foundation. Stay tuned for Thomas Hampson reading from \u201cThe Marriage.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 Yesterday \u2013 the publication date for my novel\u00a0The Marriage: The Mahlers in New York\u00a0\u2013 I had an enthralling video exchange with Morten Solvik of the Mahler Foundation in Vienna. You can see it\u00a0here. Some highlights: 3:24 \u2013 \u201cYou can\u2019t understand the story of Mahler in New York without first understanding what went on there [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_genesis_hide_title":false,"_genesis_hide_breadcrumbs":false,"_genesis_hide_singular_image":false,"_genesis_hide_footer_widgets":false,"_genesis_custom_body_class":"","_genesis_custom_post_class":"","_genesis_layout":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-2581","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","6":"category-uncategorized","7":"entry","8":"has-post-thumbnail"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2QLHN-FD","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2581","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2581"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2581\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2595,"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2581\/revisions\/2595"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2581"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2581"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/uq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2581"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}