{"id":37,"date":"2008-07-23T10:02:04","date_gmt":"2008-07-23T10:02:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/lifesapitch\/wp\/?p=37"},"modified":"2008-07-23T10:02:04","modified_gmt":"2008-07-23T10:02:04","slug":"someone_please_just_bring_the","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/lifesapitch\/2008\/07\/someone_please_just_bring_the\/","title":{"rendered":"Someone, please just bring the water to the horse"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There&#8217;s a lot of talk about what kind of audience classical music has<br \/>\nand wants. Generally speaking, I think we want young people with<br \/>\ndisposable-enough incomes who like to go out and have a network of<br \/>\nfriends in their cities or towns. <\/p>\n<p>That stated, the industry<br \/>\nexpects the members of this coveted demographic to change their current<br \/>\nroutines to accommodate it. I decided to conduct a highly-scientific<br \/>\nfocus group &#8211; i.e. e mailing my sister Aliza and her three roommates &#8211; on the<br \/>\nsubject. <br \/><i><br \/>Aliza &#8211; <\/i>Marketing Coordinator, Dauphin<i><br \/>Brianne &#8211;&nbsp; <\/i>Group Strategist, Saatchi &amp; Saatchi<i> <br \/>Cammie &#8211; <\/i>Operations Analyst, QVT Financial <i><br \/>Katharine &#8211; <\/i>Analyst for Strategic Planning, American Express<b> <\/b><i><br \/><\/i><br \/>All 23 years old, college-educated and living in New York City.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; &#8211; &#8211; <\/p>\n<p><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\"><b>How much money do you spend on a normal night out?<\/b><\/font> <br \/><b><i>Aliza:<\/i><\/b> $40-$60.<br \/><i><b>Brianne:<\/b><\/i> Probably at least $40 or $50 when you add in cost of cabs!<i><b> <br \/>Cammie:<\/b> <\/i>$40.<i><br \/><b>Katharine:<\/b><\/i> $100.<\/p>\n<p><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\"><b>What was the last thing you bought over $30?<\/b><\/font> <br \/><b><i>Aliza:<\/i> <\/b>Jack Rogers (shoes).<br \/><i><b>Brianne: <\/b><\/i>Summer dresses.<br \/><i><b>Cammie:<\/b> <\/i>Dinner.<i><br \/><b>Katharine:<\/b><\/i> A bathing suit.<\/p>\n<p><b><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\">What time do you normally eat dinner?<\/font><br \/><i>Aliza:<\/i><\/b> 7:30ish.<b> <br \/><i>Brianne: <\/i><\/b>7:00.<b><i><br \/>Cammie: <\/i><\/b>On weekdays probably between 7:30 and 8. Weekends a bit earlier, more like 6 or 6:30.<br \/><b><i>Katharine:<\/i><\/b><b> <\/b>7:30.<\/p>\n<p><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\"><b>Have you ever seen the New York Philharmonic?<\/b><\/font><br \/><b><i>Aliza: <\/i><\/b>Yes.<br \/><i><b>Brianne: <\/b><\/i>No<i><b>.<br \/>Cammie: <\/b><\/i>Yes.<i><br \/><b>Katharine:<\/b><\/i> Yes.<i><\/p>\n<p><\/i><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\"><b>If yes, what did you see?<\/b><\/font><br \/><b><i>Aliza:<\/i><\/b>&nbsp; The first concert in Central Park this summer.<i><b><br \/>Cammie:<\/b> <\/i>Philharmonic in the Park.<i><br \/><b>Katharine:<\/b> <\/i>Sadly, I can&#8217;t remember (it was years ago).<i><br \/><\/i>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\">If no, do you have any desire to?<\/font><br \/><i>Katharine: <\/i><\/b>I would love to go again!<br \/><i><b>Brianne:<\/b><\/i>&nbsp; Not really. Maybe if other friends were going. But it definitely wouldn&#8217;t be my suggestion for an outing. <\/p>\n<p><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\"><b>How much would you pay to see a classical music concert? <\/b><\/font><br \/><b><i>Aliza:<\/i><\/b> $50 &#8211; $75 depending on the concert.<br \/><i><b>Brianne: <\/b><\/i>Depends who I&#8217;m going with. Maybe $25-30.<i><b><br \/>Cammie: <\/b><\/i>$40.<i><br \/><b>Katharine:<\/b> <\/i>Up to $125.<\/p>\n<p><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\"><b>Would<br \/>\nyou go to a concert by yourself, or would you want to go with friends?<br \/>\nOn a date? With someone who knows about classical music?<\/b> <\/font><br \/><b><i>Aliza:<\/i><\/b><br \/>\nI definitely would not go to a classical music concert by myself, but I<br \/>\nwould go with friends or on a date (although I don&#8217;t think I would be<br \/>\ndating any guys who would take me to a classical music concert unless<br \/>\nthey were my sister&#8217;s friends).&nbsp; I would prefer to go with someone who<br \/>\nknows about classical music because I like the back stories about the<br \/>\norchestra, the piece, the time period, etc..<br \/><i><b>Brianne:&nbsp; <\/b><\/i>Wouldn&#8217;t go by myself. I&#8217;m not really the type to go to movies or concerts or anything alone. I&#8217;d probably want to go with friends who had the same level of knowledge\/appreciation about classical music as I do, which isn&#8217;t much. Definitely don&#8217;t want to feel intimidated or judged by the person I go with!<i><b> <br \/>Cammie: <\/b><\/i>I&#8217;d rather go with someone, whether it be a friend, date or classical music aficionado.<i><b><br \/>Katharine:<\/b><\/i> I would not want to go by myself, but beyond that I would be open to<br \/>going with anyone (friends, a date- why the heck not?, and it wouldn&#8217;t<br \/>really matter if they did or didn&#8217;t know about classical music). <i><br \/><\/i><\/p>\n<p><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\"><b>What is the biggest obstacle to seeing a classical concert in your mind?<\/b><\/font> <br \/><b>a) price &#8211; concerts are too expensive<br \/>b) location &#8211; who hangs out in midtown?<br \/>c) timing &#8211; we go to dinner at 8 pm<br \/>d) comfort level &#8211; I don&#8217;t know anything about classical music<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><b>Aliza:<\/b> <\/i>I would go for A, those tickets get to be super expensive.&nbsp; Anytime it&#8217;s free or not too expensive I&#8217;ll go.<br \/><i><b>Brianne: <\/b><\/i>I guess D. I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s really all about comfort. I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s more that I just don&#8217;t really care for classical music. I&#8217;d rather do something else.<br \/><i><b>Cammie: <\/b><\/i>A<i>.<b>  <\/b><\/i><i><br \/><b>Katharine:<\/b><\/i> I think the biggest obstacle is that it seems that it requires a lot<br \/>of advance planning and it might be difficult to get people to go.<i><\/p>\n<p><\/i><br \/><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\"><b>If you&#8217;re looking for something to do on a Friday night, where do you look?<\/b><\/font> <br \/><b><i>Aliza:<\/i> <\/b>Time<br \/>\nOut to see if there&#8217;s any new shows or restaurants to try or I talk to<br \/>\nfriends and make plans that way, through things they know about.<br \/><i><b>Brianne: <\/b><\/i>Out to dinner, a movie, or typical bar scene.<i><b><br \/>Cammie:<\/b><\/i> I usually talk to friends or do something low key on a Friday like the movies or just going to dinner.<br \/><i><b>Katharine:<\/b><\/i><b> <\/b>Usually I talk to friends and occasionally look at Time Out.<i><br \/><\/i><b>&nbsp;<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\">Would you go see a movie\/concert\/play because it got a good review or because your friends told you it was good?<\/font><br \/><i>Aliza:<\/i><\/b><br \/>\nProbably more so if my friends told me it was good because they have<br \/>\nsimilar interests to me, but if it&#8217;s get a good review and I happen to<br \/>\nstumble upon it, I would give it a try.<br \/><i><b>Brianne: <\/b><\/i>I&#8217;d trust my friends over a good (or bad) review.<i><b> <br \/>Cammie: <\/b><\/i>Both.<i><br \/><b>Katharine:<\/b> <\/i>I usually give more weight to recommendations from friends over reviews.<i><br \/><\/i><b>&nbsp;<\/b> <\/p>\n<p><b><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\">Which websites do you look at every day?<\/font><\/b> <br \/><b><i>Aliza:<\/i><\/b> Yikes, this is where it starts to get embarrassing&#8230;<a href=\"http:\/\/perezhilton.com\/\">Perez Hilton<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/people.com\/\">People<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/gawker.com\/\">Gawker<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/jezebel.com\/\">Jezebel<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/nytimes.com\/\">NY Times<\/a>.<br \/><i><b>Brianne:<\/b><\/i> <a href=\"http:\/\/nytimes.com\/\">NY Times<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/bitten.blogs.nytimes.com\/\">Bitten<\/a>, Times <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/pages\/style\/index.html\">style section<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.iconoculture.com\/\">Iconoculture<\/a> (trends website my company subscribes to). &nbsp;<i><b> <br \/>Cammie: <\/b><\/i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.msnbc.msn.com\/\">MSNBC<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnn.com\/\">CNN<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/\">Facebook<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/ig?hl=en\">Gmail\/Google<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.weather.com\/\">Weather.com<\/a>.<i><br \/><b>Katharine:<\/b> <\/i>Sadly, the only sites I look at everyday are work-related (financial<br \/>websites, payments blogs, etc.).<\/p>\n<p><b><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\">What was the last time you heard classical music in any setting? (movie, elevator &#8211; anywhere) <\/font><br \/><i>Aliza:<\/i><\/b><b> <\/b>Last night, I watched &#8220;Talented Mr. Ripley&#8221;&#8230;LOADS of classical music, I mean, they&#8217;re in Italy!<br \/><i><b>Brianne:<\/b><\/i> Restaurant at lunch yesterday maybe? Can&#8217;t say I really pay attention to it!<i><b> <br \/>Cammie: <\/b><\/i>My iPod.<i><br \/>K<b>atharine:<\/b> <\/i>Over the loudspeakers at the Tampa airport on Sunday night.<i><br \/><\/i><\/p>\n<p><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\"><b>What&#8217;s the first thing that comes to mind when I say &#8220;classical music&#8221;?<\/b> <\/font><br \/><b><i>Aliza:<\/i><\/b> Big concert halls with huge orchestras&#8230;sorry Amanda, Wordless hasn&#8217;t changed that yet!<br \/><i><b>Brianne: <\/b><\/i>Requires concentration to appreciate it!<br \/><i><b>Cammie:<\/b> <\/i>Um,<br \/>\nI&#8217;m not sure. I listen to classical music when I really need to<br \/>\nconcentrate, or want to relax. I guess it makes me think of culture<br \/>\nsomewhat.<b><br \/><\/b><i><b>Katharine:<\/b><\/i> Bow ties.<i><\/p>\n<p>Many thanks to my hip and trendy lab rats for their answers.<br \/><\/i><br \/>&#8211; &#8211; &#8211;<\/p>\n<p><b><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\">H<\/font><font style=\"font-size: 1.25em;\">ighly-scientific conclusions and suggested solutions:<\/font><\/b><br \/>(CV = coveted demographic)<\/p>\n<p><b>Members<br \/>\nof the CV have money to spend, but they spend it on social activities.<\/b><br \/>\n<br \/>Make performances social activities, but in a natural and logical way.<br \/>\nThat is, don&#8217;t just slap an &#8220;under-30&#8221; party onto a performance and<br \/>\nexpect the CV to come. The advertising has to match the concept, has to<br \/>\nmatch the places it&#8217;s advertised, has to match the programming. Figure<br \/>\nout who throws the best parties in your community and co-sponsor an<br \/>\nevent with them. Also, make it easy for the CV to plan social events<br \/>\naround your concerts. Sell tickets and dinners-for-two at a local restaurant together, offer<br \/>\nintermission drink ticket add-ons when people are purchasing their tickets,<br \/>\nand encourage the bar across the street to give out a free drink for<br \/>\nevery concert ticket post performances.<\/p>\n<p><b>Members<br \/>\nof the CV have money to spend, but they spend it on [SPOILER ALERT!] products they see<br \/>\nadvertised in the magazines and websites they read.<\/b><br \/>Hold (actual) focus<br \/>\ngroups and find out which blogs\/publications the CV reads in your<br \/>\ncommunity. Advertise there. I have thought about gossip\/fashion sites for advertising, but not about the financial sites\/blogs that Katharine mentions.<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s possible that most of those are too national to be useful for<br \/>\nlocal marketing, but worth looking into anyway. My lawyer friends<br \/>\nread <a href=\"http:\/\/www.abovethelaw.com\/\">this<\/a> obsessively, for example, and I think I will suggest advertising upcoming classical albums there. Also, I&#8217;m glad Brianne mentioned the <i>Times<\/i> Bitten blog: it would be cool for a classical label (or any label, actually) to work with a site like <a href=\"http:\/\/www.epicurious.com\/\">Epicurious<\/a> to pair music with recipes. Playlists for dinner parties, soundtracks for preparation, etc.. <\/p>\n<p><b>Members<br \/>\nof the CV (at least in New York City) eat dinner around 7:30 pm.<\/b> <b>Most<br \/>\nclassical music\/theatre\/dance performances are at 8 pm. <br \/><\/b>Make<br \/>\nperformances earlier or late. The NY Philharmonic has &#8220;Rush Hour&#8221;<br \/>\nconcerts at 6:45 pm, but they&#8217;re geared toward commuters, not the CV. (<i>When work ends, come experience a different kind of rush. Head over to<br \/>\nthe Philharmonic for an evening of music that&#8217;s guaranteed to move you.<br \/>\nConcerts last about an hour. So by the time the last notes die down, so<br \/>\nhas rush hour.<\/i>)&nbsp;<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s perfect &#8211; a one hour concert at 6:45 pm! I&#8217;m not saying my sister<br \/>\nand her roommates wouldn&#8217;t want to go to a full-length concert, but the Philharmonic already has a program in<br \/>\nplace that fits their schedule; it just isn&#8217;t marketed to them. Something I&#8217;ve thought about a lot is the idea of a &#8220;two-night stand&#8221;. That is, present the exact same concert at a classical venue at 8 pm, and then again somewhere else (a club downtown, for example) at 10:30 pm. Same program, same ticket prices, same artist, see who comes. <\/p>\n<p><b>Members<br \/>\nof the CV take recommendations from their friends over what they&#8217;ve read in the newspaper in deciding what to do and where to spend their money.<br \/><\/b>&#8230;so if you don&#8217;t get the big preview in the paper for your performance, it&#8217;s not the end of the world. Reach out to young community leaders &#8211; heads of church groups, student body presidents, groups\/club leaders at local universities, etc. &#8211; and involve them in the process of promoting your performances organically. <br \/><b><\/b><br \/><b>Members of the CV feel comfortable at classical music concerts.<\/b><br \/>\n<br \/>This is both news and not news to me. On the one hand, I strongly<br \/>\nbelieve that we underestimate the proverbial &#8220;new&#8221; audiences&#8217; ability<br \/>\nto sit still and refrain from texting during classical concerts. On the<br \/>\nother hand, I assumed that my sister and her roommates would have felt more<br \/>\ncomfortable going to a classical concert with someone who knew about<br \/>\nthe genre. Apparently not!<\/p>\n<p><b>Members of the CV still think of classical music as completely high-brow.<br \/>\n<br \/><\/b>Thoughts on that, in no particular order: concert dress, advertising<br \/>\ncampaigns, artist photos, album covers, presumed dress-code at<br \/>\nconcerts, exclusive donor events, lack of funding and performance<br \/>\nopportunities for new music ensembles, over-generalization of the art<br \/>\nform in popular media.<\/p>\n<p><i>Note: In my &#8220;What is the biggest obstacle&#8230;&#8221; question, I just realized that I didn&#8217;t even give them the opportunity to say they just don&#8217;t like classical music! I&#8217;m all, THAT IS NOT AN OPTION. In actuality, however, that&#8217;s something no amount of marketing can change: I don&#8217;t like Rachel Ray, no matter how many refreshing-looking iced coffees she promotes. It is interesting to think about, though: just &#8220;not liking&#8221; something that is completely omnipresent but often accepted as background music or cell phone ringtones. Another post for another time.<\/p>\n<p>Update &#8211; 7\/24, 2:30ish pm<\/i>: <i>It was brought to my attention via e mail that Lincoln Center will be presenting two concerts of <font style=\"font-size: 1em;\">The Deutsche Kammerphilharmonie Bremen with <\/font><span class=\"lc_performer_name\">Paavo J\u00e4rvi conducting on March 2, 2009; the first concert is at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lincolncenter.org\/show_events_list.asp?eventcode=17829\">7:30pm<\/a> and the second is at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lincolncenter.org\/show_events_list.asp?eventcode=17830\">10:30pm<\/a>. The programs are different. They are also presenting a free concert with <\/span><font style=\"font-size: 1em;\">The Deutsche Kammerphilharmonie Bremen the following Wednesday, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lincolncenter.org\/show_events_list.asp?eventcode=-63051\">March 4th<\/a>, in the middle of the day. Additionally, <\/font><\/i><span class=\"lc_performer_name\"><i>Jordi Savall&#8217;s Lincoln Center concerts in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lincolncenter.org\/show_events_list.asp?eventcode=17108\">October<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lincolncenter.org\/show_events_list.asp?eventcode=17828\">February<\/a> of 2009 are slated to start at 9pm. Good stuff.&nbsp; <\/i><\/span><i><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There&#8217;s a lot of talk about what kind of audience classical music has and wants. Generally speaking, I think we want young people with disposable-enough incomes who like to go out and have a network of friends in their cities or towns. 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