{"id":731,"date":"2004-06-01T09:57:15","date_gmt":"2004-06-01T16:57:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/wp\/2004\/06\/speaking_of_conspiracies\/"},"modified":"2004-06-01T09:57:15","modified_gmt":"2004-06-01T16:57:15","slug":"speaking_of_conspiracies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/2004\/06\/speaking_of_conspiracies.html","title":{"rendered":"SPEAKING OF CONSPIRACIES"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><P>Joseph Califano Jr. has written a new memoir, <A class=inline\nhref=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/ASIN\/1586482300\/qid=1085934839\/sr=2-1\/ref=sr_2\n_1\/102-0994029-4919306\" target='new\"'><B><EM><FONT color=#003399>&#8220;Inside: A Public<br \/>\nand Private Life,&#8221;<\/FONT><\/EM><\/B><\/A> which makes some startling claims about the<br \/>\nassassination of President John F. Kennedy. A longtime political insider who started out as one of<br \/>\nRobert McNamara&#8217;s Pentagon &#8220;whiz kids,&#8221; Califano was privvy to much that is still not<br \/>\ncompletely understood about the Kennedy years. Califano was interviewed last Sunday by Brian<br \/>\nLamb on C-SPAN&#8217;s <A class=inline\nhref=\"http:\/\/www.booknotes.org\/Transcript\/?ProgramID=1781\"\ntarget='new\"'><B><EM><FONT color=#003399>Booknotes<\/FONT><\/EM><\/B><\/A>. Here&#8217;s<br \/>\nthe relevant exchange about the assassination: <\/P><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><B>LAMB:<\/B> I want to ask you if this has ever been printed before.<br \/>\n&#8220;Years later when I was on the White House staff, Lyndon Johnson told me, quote, &#8216;Kennedy<br \/>\ntried to kill Castro but Castro got Kennedy first.'&#8221; Have you ever reported that<br \/>\nbefore?<BR><B>CALIFANO:<\/B> I think this is the first reporting of that. I may &#8212; I may have<br \/>\ntalked to people about that.<BR><B>LAMB:<\/B> You go on to say you agreed with Lyndon<br \/>\nJohnson that Castro through Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy?<BR><B>CALIFANO:<\/B> I<br \/>\nhave come to believe that, Brian. Today I &#8212; I &#8212; when I was in the Pentagon, I was &#8212; I served on<br \/>\na super secret committee on Cuba, set up, set up in January of 1973 [sic,&nbsp;he must<br \/>\nhave&nbsp;meant 1963], under President Kennedy. The objective was to overthrow Castro, to<br \/>\nget rid of him. What&#8217;s in the book about those events &#8212; most of that has never been published<br \/>\nbefore. I fought to get these documents declassified when I was doing the memoir.<BR>It was<br \/>\nwild. And we were going &#8212; we were going to do all kinds of things. We were going to put &#8212; we<br \/>\nwanted sugar in their gasoline. We were going to tell the Cubans all to turn the water on at the<br \/>\nsame time to drain their water. At one point, we considered whether we should tie incendiary<br \/>\ndevices to the feet of bats, drop the bats over Cuba at night. They would fly into the attics of<br \/>\nhouses and buildings; the incendiary device would go off and the island would go up in flames.<br \/>\nBut there were clearly &#8212; Robert Kennedy was determined to assassinate Castro. It was &#8212; it was<br \/>\n&#8212; The Kennedys were obsessed with it, and &#8230;<BR><B>LAMB:<\/B> What did you do when you<br \/>\nwere confronted with it yourself?<BR><B>CALIFANO:<\/B> Well, the first time &#8212; it came up<br \/>\nonce at one of our committee meetings. The committee was the CIA, the Defense Department,<br \/>\nthe State Department and the Justice Department. And State was not only in charge but Robert<br \/>\nKennedy was in charge. And when &#8212; when it was &#8212; the only time it was discussed in a formal<br \/>\nway in that committee, I opposed it, and Joe Dolan (ph), who was the Justice Department, a<br \/>\nyoung Justice Department lawyer at the time, also opposed it.<BR>The remarkable thing in<br \/>\nretrospect is the CIA was completely silent during that whole discussion. But if you&#8217;re Castro, just<br \/>\nthink now about November, the fall of 1963. There had been several attempts on your life. The<br \/>\nmob, the poison pens, the crazy stuff. And in September, Castro told a reporter for Associated<br \/>\nPress, you know, the American leaders ought to be careful because if they&#8217;re going to try to kill<br \/>\nme, they&#8217;re not immune from &#8212; from being killed.<BR>November 1, Diem is killed, the head of<br \/>\nthe South Vietnam [government], is killed in a coup that we sponsored, that was approved by<br \/>\nPresident Kennedy. So you&#8217;re sitting there and you&#8217;re Castro, and you&#8217;ve got to say, these guys<br \/>\nare going to get me. November 22, President Kennedy is assassinated.<BR>And I think the<br \/>\nparoxysms of grief &#8212; I mean &#8212; unbelievable grief of Robert Kennedy &#8212; this is a personal view,<br \/>\nbut I really do believe the unbelievable grief is &#8212; was driven in good measure by the fact that he<br \/>\nthought some of the things he was doing are what may have killed his brother. &#8230;<BR>And think<br \/>\nabout this. When you think about commissions and the commissions we have today, the Warren<br \/>\ncommission never talked to me or anybody else involved in the covert Cuban program in the<br \/>\ncourse of their investigation about that.<\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<P>The idea that Castro had a hand in Kennedy&#8217;s assassination is not new. Given the mountain of<br \/>\nJFK conspiracy theories, it&#8217;s hard to conceive of any idea that would be new. But it&#8217;s striking to<br \/>\nhear one of the era&#8217;s insiders say that Lyndon Johnson thought it was payback, that he suspects<br \/>\nRobert Kennedy believed that, and that he believes it himself. Califano is not some kind of flake,<br \/>\nafter all. He was a top domestic adviser to LBJ, the attorney who represented The Washington<br \/>\nPost and the Democratic Party during the Watergate years and Secretary of Health, Education<br \/>\nand Welfare in the Carter administration.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>As I&#8217;ve mentioned before, the most persuasive book I ever read about the Cuba connection to<br \/>\nthe sniper attack that killed JFK is Philip Kerr&#8217;s <A class=inline\nhref=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/067104141X\/qid=1085938003\/sr=1-6\/ref=\nsr_1_6\/102-0994029-4919306?v=glance&#038;s=books\" target='new\"'><B><EM><FONT\ncolor=#003399>&#8220;The Shot.&#8221;<\/FONT><\/EM><\/B><\/A> It&#8217;s fiction, a first-class thriller novel, but<br \/>\nit shows how the killing in Dealey Plaza might have been prepared.<\/P><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Joseph Califano Jr. has written a new memoir, &#8220;Inside: A Public and Private Life,&#8221; which makes some startling claims about the assassination of President John F. 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A longtime political insider who started out as one of Robert McNamara&#8217;s Pentagon &#8220;whiz kids,&#8221; Califano was privvy to much that is still not completely understood about the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_genesis_hide_title":false,"_genesis_hide_breadcrumbs":false,"_genesis_hide_singular_image":false,"_genesis_hide_footer_widgets":false,"_genesis_custom_body_class":"","_genesis_custom_post_class":"","_genesis_layout":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[4],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-731","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","6":"category-main","7":"entry"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/pbvgEs-bN","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/731","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=731"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/731\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=731"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=731"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=731"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}