{"id":1697,"date":"2008-12-28T08:27:29","date_gmt":"2008-12-28T16:27:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/wp\/2008\/12\/artistic_channeling_or_mere_co\/"},"modified":"2008-12-28T08:27:29","modified_gmt":"2008-12-28T16:27:29","slug":"artistic_channeling_or_mere_co","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/2008\/12\/artistic_channeling_or_mere_co.html","title":{"rendered":"Artistic Channeling or Mere Coincidence?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>An artist friend of mine sent me a brilliant image he saw (and admired) a long time ago. He believes it was posted at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.darkroastedblend.com\/\">Dark Roasted Blend<\/a>. He can&#8217;t remember when it was posted or whose image it is. Can anyone identify and\/or date it?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\" style=\"display: inline;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.darkroastedblend.com\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt title=\"Does anyone know whose image this is?\" src=\"http:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/assets_c\/2008\/12\/wordship-thumb-500x392.jpg\" width=\"500\" height=\"392\" class=\"mt-image-left\" style=\"float: left; margin: 0 20px 20px 0;\" \/><\/a><\/span><br \/>\n<span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\" style=\"display: inline;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/talk\/financial\/2008\/12\/22\/081222ta_talk_surowiecki\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt title=\"Christoph Niemann's illustration for 'News You Can Lose' in The New Yorker\" src=\"http:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/assets_c\/2008\/12\/NewsYouCanLose-thumb-233x307.jpg\" width=\"233\" height=\"307\" class=\"mt-image-left\" style=\"float: left; margin: 0 20px 20px 0;\" \/><\/a><\/span>The reason I ask: In the issue of <em>The New Yorker<\/em> of Dec. 22 &#038; 29, 2008, there&#8217;s an excellent illustration by Christoph Niemann for James Surowiecki&#8217;s article, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/talk\/financial\/2008\/12\/22\/081222ta_talk_surowiecki\">&#8220;News You Can Lose,&#8221;<\/a> on page 48 that, in conception, bears a striking resemblance to it. As you can see. I&#8217;m trying to find out whether this is a case similar to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.artsjournal.com\/herman\/2006\/03\/the_copycat_and_the_original_c.html\">copycat<\/a> at work &#8212; let&#8217;s call it artistic channeling, to be charitable &#8212; or mere coincidence. Or maybe Niemann posted that image himself. Anything is possible, right?<br \/>\n<strong>Postscript:<\/strong> Dec. 29 &#8211;Turns out Dark Roasted Blend posted the image recently, not &#8220;a long time ago.&#8221; On Dec. 12, 2008, to be exact, per this response to our inquiry from DRB blogger extraordinaire <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bloggerbuster.com\/2008\/05\/interview-with-avi-abrams-of-dark.html\">Avi Abrams<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>DRB has it on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.darkroastedblend.com\/2008\/12\/parkour-in-1930s.html\">this page<\/a> (scroll down), but we don&#8217;t know what is the original source, as it came inside anonymous email. I tried to search for it using <a href=\"http:\/\/tineye.com\/\">TinEye<\/a> &#8212; but it did not pick up the original either.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So could the concept for that illustration have filtered from DRB to <em>The New Yorker<\/em> just in time for the Dec. 22&#038;29 issue? Possibly, depending on the magazine&#8217;s production schedule. But possibly not. I finally got a bright idea and asked <a href=\"http:\/\/niemann.blogs.nytimes.com\/\">Christoph Niemann<\/a>. Am awaiting his reply.<br \/>\n<strong>PPS:<\/strong> This just in, and I&#8217;m grateful to have it, so I can do him complete justice:<br \/>\n<font size=\"3\"><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Dear Jan Herman,<\/p>\n<p>Thank you for your note.<br \/>\nObviously it is an awkward moment to have one&#8217;s illustration displayed in the context of being conceptually similar to another picture.<br \/>\nNonetheless, I can state with utter confidence that I haven&#8217;t seen the (beautiful!) photo of the person with the book before. This is certainly not the first (or last) time I have found myself in a situation like this (and I can happily state that I have been on the other side of the equation more often).<br \/>\nI have built my whole career on coming up with original visual ideas. This is obviously impossible, given the amount of pictures that are being constantly created. But if I even have the faintest suspicion that an idea I come up with may have been derived from a concept I saw somewhere else, I run as fast as I can and will come up with something else.<br \/>\nI have of course quoted art in my work (e.g. making a visual pun on the Mona Lisa or a famous Delacroix painting), but I am much too dependent on people respecting the authorship of my own work to ever take advantage of somebody else&#8217;s concepts.<br \/>\nLet me know if this answers your questions<br \/>\nBest regards<br \/>\nChristoph<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/font><br \/>\nSure does. Bee-oooo-tifully.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An artist friend of mine sent me a brilliant image he saw (and admired) a long time ago. He believes it was posted at Dark Roasted Blend. He can&#8217;t remember when it was posted or whose image it is. Can anyone identify and\/or date it? 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