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Ex-Chetham’s suspect is tracked down to Hollywood

ITN reporter Martin Geissler and his camera crew pursued through the streets of Los Angeles a former Chet’s teacher whom Manchester police would like to question about events at the school in the 1980s.

Chris Ling, 55, fled from the cameras, hid his face and refused to answer questions. One of his victims described to Geissler how she was groomed by Ling for sex when she was 15. Manchester police are considering an extradition request.

Earlier today, a further ex-Chet’s teacher was arrested, questioned and bailed.

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  1. Bob Wild says:

    Hmm, Chris Ling, brings back mid to late 80′s memories at Chets, not for me to comment though, maybe people should try speaking to his wife, Pip…

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  3. PK Miller says:

    I do not presume to know the pain o0f those molested/abused. But, again, we need a reasonable statute of limitations–criminal AND civil. Why prosecute something that is alleged to have happened 30 years or so ago. I ‘m not even in favor of trying murder cases that old. It really becomes a witch hunt. Whatever happened to you happened to you. Let go and let GOD. Move on with your life. FORGIVE. Jesus’ question as to which was harder to say “Get up, take your pallet & walk” r to say “Your sins are forgiven.” As I have commented herein several times, in the Capital District of NY State, we have a situation where a deceased man’s brother is carrying out his quest for…I don’t know–justice, retribution…against a Community of Nuns, a school that has not existed for 30 years, nuns who may not even have existed.

    I don’t know what happened at Chetham’s. My Partner doesn’t know either because he was spared English boarding schools, educating in France as a boy. But again, this is the accusation from which one never recovers. We had a local DA who was notorious for aggressively prosecuting alleged sexual abuse crimes. So many were overturned on appeal she finally had the decency to resign. It’s all ACCUSATION. And in this case, the accused is guilty. There is always that stain. Again, LET GO AND LET GOD. God will render justice but God will judge us, too.

    • Yep, that’s what we need a “statute of limitations”. After all the crimes are “historical” and shouldn’t really
      be pursued now. Paedophiles need to know that when they reach a certain age they will no longer face prosecution….pity to ruin their lives.
      Those rotten victims whose lives have been ruined shouldn’t be able to pursue their vendettas against these poor criminals.
      What good will it do them…..they might change the culture of society and people might comes to believe that sexual abuse is unacceptable…..and what would the perpetrators do then …poor things.
      Let go and let God I say…..oh yes, I forgot….that was the God who allowed the abuse in the first place!
      No…..then it must have been human error so that’s ok…….easily forgiven by those who have not been abused and sometimes amazingly forgiven by those who have been!
      Anyhow PKMiller the whole point is not the above but the changing of attitudes of people like yourself in order to bring about a society where such behaviour is abhorrent. At the moment paedophiles rule supreme and you encourage them in their behaviour and their belief that they are invincible.
      Words now fail me….I hope you will have a rethink!!!

    • Yes fine, let’s leave GOD to judge, forgive, etc. Let’s also let those who have actually been affected and do understand the impact decide if and when they want to ‘forgive’. Meanwhile, we can get on with organising and policing our society so that children are safe and damaging behaviour towards children is universally condemned and has prohibitive consequences whenever the victims have bucked up courage and strength to give evidence about it. We could also attempt to understand and empathise with victims while we’re at it, even if we don’t presume to know their pain. After all, PK Miller, you have gone out of your way to empathise with, defend and urge leniency for the perpetrators, presumably imagining their pain at being pulled up for sexually abusing children years ago when they thought they had got away with it, not imagining that their vulnerable, easily manipulated, controlled and silenced victims might grow up one day and find a voice. Life is so unfair. If I didn’t know that there are quite a few people around expressing views such as yours I would imagine your comments were a wind up. if only that was the case.

    • Northern Cellist says:

      Thanks PK Miller for this contribution. it’s heartening to know that there are people out there who believe in divine retribution but I can certainly not agree with you. Firstly there are many people out there who don’t believe in God, so your comments about leaving things to God fall on deaf ears. More to the point, Brendan and JME have it entirely right. Sexual abuse ruins lives. Why should those affected have to just forget about it and move on? Let’s just think about that for a moment…. someone is abused, keeps quiet about it, when they might finally speak about it, they get someone telling them to find God and move on. Does not that seem just a bit insulting to their experience and what they’ve been through? Did you not hear about that lad in Ireland who was abused for years by his priest and when he finally spoke out, he got a similar reaction to what you’re proposing and committed suicide?

      I’m sorry to sound so dogmatic, but really I can’t disagree with you more here. Quite frankly if you commit a crime, then maybe the law won’t catch up with you, but the least you should have to live with is looking over your shoulder at all times. That’s the very least society owes to victims of such disgusting behaviour

    • For those wishing to increase their capacity to understand the impact of abuse and the reasons it can take so long to be reported or can remain unreported, here is a link for a relevant article from concert pianist James Rhodes:

      http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/jamesrhodes/100067072/outrage-at-jimmy-savile-conceals-the-fact-that-our-culture-encourages-paedophilia-believe-me-i-know-what-im-talking-about/

      Excerpt: “When I was at school I was sexually abused. Let me clarify: I was serially raped when I was a child, between the ages of five and 10. At least one other teacher knew it was happening and even after voicing their concerns to the relevant authorities within the school, nothing was done and the horrors continued. (Over two decades later, and only after a statement from both me and another teacher, did the police arrest and charge the rapist with 10 counts of buggery – at the time of arrest he was a part-time boxing coach for boys under 10.)
      We read about things like this and we think “how awful” and then get on with eating our cornflakes, but no one really wants to look beneath the surface. The physical act of rape is just the beginning – each time it happened I seemed to leave a little bit of myself behind with him until it felt like there was pretty much nothing left of me that was real. And those bits do not seem to come back over time. What goes too often unreported and unexamined and unacknowledged is the legacy that is left with the victim.
      Self-harm. Depression. Drug and alcohol abuse. Reparative surgery. OCD. Dissociation. Inability to maintain functional relationships. Marital breakdowns. Being forcefully institutionalised. Hallucinations (auditory and visual). Hypervigilance. PTSD. Sexual shame and confusion. Anorexia and other eating disorders. These are just a few of my symptoms (for want of a better word) of chronic sexual abuse. They have all been a part of my life in the very recent past and the abuse I went through was 30 years ago.”

  4. For those wishing to let these crimes pass unnoticed I would like to point out the words of the judge who recently turned down the appeal of Ling’s colleague Michael Brewer, “… It seems to us that he escaped justice for a very long time indeed and that justice has now caught up with him.”

  5. If someone has abused children in the past, it is often an on-going part of their behaviour. Therefore it is valid and very important for victims to come forward, however long ago the abuse occurred, as they may help prevent future victims.
    Also it sometimes takes victims many years until they are able to face up to what happened, and try to resolve it. The memories are very disturbing and disruptive to everyday life, but it is healthier to get them out into the light, and deal appropriately with the events which occurred.

  6. Concerned Parent says:

    The really terrfiying thing about “historic sexual abuse” is that it is very rarely reported at the time. Abusees (better term than victims) are typically involved in a complicit relationship with their abuser – which is not to say that they are responsible for the complicity, but that abusers are extremely manipulative in giving abusees a sense of that (“what we have is secret, special etc”). Long after the abuse has occurred abusees may work through the guilt their abuse created, but then should they report their abuse, there is the terrible responsibility of disappointing and traumatising beloved parents, who genuinely believed they were doing their best (and often making great sacrifices) sending their child to the school where they were abused. Unsurprisingly then many abusees only come forward decades after the abuse occurred, and only when their parents have died – even then they have to deal with the fall-out any revelations create within their own marital and family relationships.
    The implication of all this is to suggest that our comforting assumption that there is no abuse going on presently in our music schools because it is not being reported, everything has changed, blah, blah, may well be a dangerous illusion – and one that was doubtless shared by our parents’ generation.

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