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Can anyone identify this elusive Mozart piece?

I’ve been sent the link and can’t place the piece. Middle period, presumably.

UPDATE: A reader suggests it may be a mathematical game that Mozart may have played, also known as K516f. Any further thoughts? See http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~rb5h-ngc/e/k516f.htm

Here’s more: http://sunsite.univie.ac.at/Mozart/dice/

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Comments

  1. This is not Mozart !!

  2. How can you prove it? Because it sounds like a hurdy gurdy. Have the guy play it in the middle of a town square and see if any trained monkeys (or ghosts of trained monkeys) show up with little cups. Probably all you’ll get is wall street bankers and such (without cups).

  3. Tom Morris says:

    I too doubt it is Mozart. The catalogue number given in the video caption (Anh. 294d., indicating it’s a supplement to Kochel’s catalogue) is indeed the musical dice game, but it’s assuredly not that work, which is a minuet in C major (or, rather, a formula for writing such a minuet). This is a fast 6/8 in D major. I can find no trace of any D major sonata except those with Kochel numbers (which are all well known) so would tend to think it’s not by him. The inelegant first subject with its four-square antecedent/consequent pair doesn’t sound very Mozartian to me, either.

  4. Is YouTube’s identification wrong then?

    Mozart, Sonata in D Major, Anh. 294d, mov. 3

  5. Transpose it a half step higher and it sounds a lot like the finale of the 22nd concerto.

  6. I still think you should have the guy play it in the town square to see if it has any relationship to cups. That way you can determine whether it’s Mozart or not as well as whether the world’s finances would be better run with with trained monkeys with cups (or untrained monkeys without cups). Hand the bankers a bunch of typewriters and see if they ever bang out all of Shakespeare’s plays.

  7. There seems to be somewhat of a mix-up here.

    The “piece” listed as KV Anh. 294d is not this sonata; it’s the musical dice game invoked in the article. The score can be found on IMSLP and it’s not only in a different key (C major), but a completely different music as well. The music in this video sounds more like a clever (modern day) pastiche, maybe by the pianist himself. Listen to the first movement at 4:20; the modulations do not sound like anything Mozart would have imagined.

    • Tom Morris says:

      Agreed – I think you may be right that it’s a rather sophisticated pastiche. The final movement makes clever use of a variety of compositional techniques, as one might find in a good modern cadenza, but it sounds far too heterogeneous for a single Mozart sonata movement. And you’re right, the modulations are, well, unorthodox.

  8. This is not Wolfgang Mozart.

    The tonus of the melodic plan is wrong. Wrong symmetry between codal music and the rest.

  9. Gary Carpenter says:

    Definitely not the Dice Game as it’s more than 16 bars long (32 with repeats).

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